On Care to Be Had for the Dead.

 1. Long time, my venerable fellow-bishop Paulinus, have I been thy Holiness’s debtor for an answer even since thou wrotest to me by them of the house

 2. But this being the case, how to this opinion that should not be contrary which the Apostle says, “For we shall all stand before the judgment-seat o

 3. Possibly thy inquiry is satisfied by this my brief reply. But what other considerations move me, to which I think meet to answer, do thou for a sho

 4. “But” (say I) “in such a slaughter-heap of dead bodies, could they not even be buried? not this, either, doth pious faith too greatly dread, holdin

 5. Yet it follows not that the bodies of the departed are to be despised and flung aside, and above all of just and faithful men, which bodies as orga

 6. If this be true, doubtless also the providing for the interment of bodies a place at the Memorials of Saints, is a mark of a good human affection t

 7. When therefore the faithful mother of a faithful son departed desired to have his body deposited in the basilica of a Martyr, forasmuch as she beli

 8. We read in the Ecclesiastical History which Eusebius wrote in Greek, and Ruffinus turned into the Latin tongue, of Martyr’s bodies in Gaul exposed

 9. And yet, by reason of that affection of the human heart, whereby “no man ever hateth his own flesh,” if men have reason to know that after their de

 10. This affection the Martyrs of Christ contending for the truth did overcome: and it is no marvel that they despised that whereof they should, when

 11. In regard to that woful compassion which I have mentioned, are those praised, and by king David blessed, who to the dry bones of Saul and Jonathan

 12. Stories are told of certain appearances or visions, which may seem to bring into this discussion a question which should not be slighted. It is sa

 13. Such, however, is human infirmity, that when in a dream a person shall see a dead man, he thinks it is the soul that he sees: but when he shall in

 14. Like dreams, moreover, are also some visions of persons awake, who have had their senses troubled, such as phrenetic persons, or those who are mad

 15. Similar to this is also that condition when persons, with their senses more profoundedly in abeyance than is the case in sleep, are occupied with

 16. Why should we not believe these to be angelic operations through dispensation of the providence of God, Who maketh good use of both good things an

 17. Some man may say: “If there be not in the dead any care for the living, how is it that the rich man, who was tormented in hell, asked father Abrah

 18. So then we must confess that the dead indeed do not know what is doing here, but while it is in doing here: afterwards, however, they hear it from

 19. Hence too is solved that question, how is it that the Martyrs, by the very benefits which are given to them that pray, indicate that they take an

 20. Howbeit it is a question which surpasses the strength of my understanding, after what manner the Martyrs aid them who by them, it is certain, are

 21. Such, we may believe, was that John the Monk, whom the elder Theodosius, the Emperor, consulted concerning the issue of the civil war: seeing he h

 22. Which things being so, let us not think that to the dead for whom we have a care, any thing reaches save what by sacrifices either of the altar, o

 23. Here, to the things thou hast thought meet to inquire of me, thou hast such reply as I have been able to render: which if it be more than enough p

21. Such, we may believe, was that John the Monk, whom the elder Theodosius, the Emperor, consulted concerning the issue of the civil war: seeing he had also the gift of prophecy. For that not each several person has a several one of those gifts, but that one man may have more gifts than one, I make no question. This John, then, when once a certain most religious woman desired to see him, and to obtain this did through her husband make vehement entreaty, refused indeed this request because he had never allowed this to women, but “Go,” said he, “tell thy wife, she shall see me this night, but in her sleep.” And so it came to pass: and he gave her advice, whatever was meet to be given to a wedded believing woman. And she, on her awaking, made known to her husband that she had seen a man of God, such as he knew him to be, and what she had been told by him. The person who learned this from them, reported it to me, a grave man and a noble, and most worthy to be believed. But if I myself had seen that holy monk, because (it is said) he was most patient in hearing questions and most wise in answering, I would have sought of him, as touching our question, whether he himself came to that woman in sleep, that is to say, his spirit in the form of his body, just as we dream that we see ourselves in the form of our own body; or whether, while he himself was doing something else, or, if asleep, was dreaming of something else, it was either by an Angel or in some other way that such vision took place in the woman’s dream; and that it would so be, as he promised, he himself foreknew by the Spirit of prophecy revealing the same. For if he was himself present to her in her dream, of course it was by miraculous grace that he was enabled so to do, not by nature; and by God’s gift, not by faculty of his own. But if, while he was doing some other thing or sleeping and occupied with other sights, the woman saw him in her sleep, then doubtless some such thing took place, as that is which we read in the Acts of the Apostles, where the Lord Jesus speaks to Ananias concerning Saul,65    Acts ix. 12 and informs him that Saul has seen Ananias coming unto him, while Ananias himself wist not of it. The man of God would make answer to me of these things as the case might be, and then about the Martyrs I should go on to ask of him, whether they be themselves present in dreams, or in whatever other way to those who see them in what shape they will; and above all when the demons in men confess themselves tormented by the Martyrs, and ask them to spare them; or whether these things be wrought through angelic powers, to the honor and commendation of the Saints for men’s profit, while those are in supreme rest, and wholly free for other far better sights, apart from us, and praying for us. For it chanced at Milan at (the tomb of) the holy Martyrs Protasius and Gervasius, that Ambrose the bishop, at that time living, being expressly named, in like manner as were the dead whose names they were rehearsing, the demons confessed him and besought him to spare them, he being the while otherwise engaged, and when this was taking place, altogether unwitting of it. Or whether indeed these things are wrought, somewhiles by very presence of the Martyrs, otherwhiles by that of Angels; and whether it be possible, or by what tokens possible, for us to discriminate these two cases; or whether to perceive and to judge of these things none be able, but he which hath that gift through God’s Spirit, “dividing unto every man severally as He will:”66    1 Cor. xii. 11 the same John, methinks, would discourse to me of all these matters, as I should wish; that either by his teaching I might learn, and what I should be told should know to be true and certain; or I should believe what I knew not, upon his telling me what things he knew. But if peradventure he should make answer out of holy Scripture, and say, “Things higher than thou, seek thou not; and things stronger than thou, search thou not; but what the Lord hath commanded thee, of those things bethink thee alway:”67    Ecclus. iii. 22 this also I should thankfully accept. For it is no small gain if, when any things are obscure and uncertain to us, and we not able to comprehend them, it be at any rate clear and certain that we are not to seek them; and what thing each one wishes to learn, accounting it to be profitable that he should know it, he should learn that it is no harm that he know it not.

CAPUT XVII.

21. De Joanne monacho. Talem fuisse credendum est illum Joannem monachum, quem de belli civilis eventu major Theodosius consuluit imperator: habebat quippe etiam prophetiam. Neque enim singulos singula munerum istorum, sed etiam plura unum habere posse non ambigo. Joannes ergo iste, quadam muliere religiosissima impatienter eum videre cupiente, atque ut hoc impetraret per maritum 0608 suum vehementer instante, cum ille nollet, quoniam id nunquam permiserat feminis: Vade, inquit, dic uxori tuae, videbit me nocte proxima, sed in somnis. Et factum est: monuitque illam quidquid fidelem conjugatam moneri oportebat. Quae cum evigilasset, talem se vidisse hominem Dei viro suo, qualem ille eum noverat, et quid ab illo audierit, indicavit. Qui hoc ab eis comperit, retulit mihi, vir gravis et nobilis, et dignissimus credi. Sed si illum sanctum monachum ipse vidissem, quia, sicut fertur, patientissime interrogabatur et sapientissime respondebat, quaesissem ab eo quod ad istam pertinet quaestionem, utrum ipse ad illam feminam venisset in somnis, id est, spiritus ejus in effigie corporis sui, sicut nos ipsos in effigie corporis nostri somniamus; an ipso aliud agente, vel, si dormiebat, aliud somniante, sive per angelum, sive quocumque alio modo in mulieris somnio talis facta sit visio; atque id futurum, ut ipse promitteret, prophetiae Spiritu revelante praesciverit. Si enim ipse interfuit somnianti, mirabili gratia utique id potuit, non natura; et Dei munere, non propria facultate. Si autem ipso aliud agente, sive dormiente et visis aliis occupato, eum mulier vidit in somnis; profecto tale aliquid factum est, quale illud est quod in Actibus Apostolorum legimus, ubi Dominus Jesus loquitur Ananiae de Saulo, et indicat ei quod Saulus vidit ad se venientem Ananiam, cum hoc Ananias ipse nesciret (Act. IX, 10-15). Quodlibet horum mihi responderet ille homo Dei, et de martyribus ab illo pergerem quaerere, utrum ipsi adsint in somnis, vel quocumque alio modo videntibus eos in qua figura voluerint; et maxime quando ab eis se torqueri daemones in hominibus confitentur, et rogant eos ut parcant sibi: an ista fiant Dei nutu per angelicas potestates, in honorem commendationemque sanctorum ad utilitatem hominum, illis in summa quiete positis, et ad alia longe meliora visa vacantibus seorsum a nobis, orantibusque pro nobis. Nam Mediolani apud sanctos Protasium et Gervasium martyres, expresso nomine, sicut defunctorum quos eodem modo commemorabant, adhuc vivum daemones episcopum confitebantur Ambrosium, atque ut sibi parceret obsecrabant, illo aliud agente, atque hoc cum ageretur omnino nesciente. An vero aliquando per ipsam praesentiam martyrum fiant, ista aliquando per Angelorum; et utrum possint, vel quibus signis possint a nobis duo ista discerni; an ea sentire ac dijudicare non valeat, nisi qui habet illud donum per Dei Spiritum dividentem propria unicuique prout vult: dissereret mihi, ut arbitror, ipse Joannes haec omnia, sicut vellem; ut aut eo docente discerem, et ea quae audirem vera et certa esse cognoscerem; aut ego crederem quae nescirem, illo dicente quae sciret. Quod si mihi forsitan de sancta Scriptura responderet ac diceret, Altiora te ne quaesieris, et fortiora te ne scrutatus fueris; sed quae praecepit tibi Dominus, illa cogita semper (Eccli. III, 22); id etiam gratanter acciperem. Non enim parvus est fructus, si aliqua obscura et incerta, quae comprehendere non valemus, clarum saltem 0609 certumque sit nobis non esse quaerenda; et quod unusquisque vult discere, putans prodesse si sciat, discat non obesse si nesciat.