Answer to the Letters of Petilian, the Donatist.

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 Book I.

 Chapter 1.—1. Ye know that we have often wished to bring forward into open notoriety, and to confute, not so much from our own arguments as from their

 Chapter 2.—3. Whence, then, is a man to be cleansed who receives baptism, when the conscience of the giver is polluted without the knowledge of him wh

 Chapter 3.—For, so long as they escaped detection, they could not bestow faith on any whom they baptized, but only guilt, if it be true that whosoever

 Chapter 4.—5. Wherefore, if they were in error, and would have perished had they not been corrected, who wished to be of Paul, what must we suppose to

 Chapter 5.—6. We ask, therefore, since he says, He who receives faith from the faithless receives not faith, but guilt, and immediately adds to this

 Chapter 6.—7. Wherefore, whether a man receive the sacrament of baptism from a faithful or a faithless minister, his whole hope is in Christ, that he

 Chapter 7.—8. But if it is perfect madness to hold such a view (for it is Christ always that justifieth the ungodly, by changing his ungodliness into

 Chapter 8.—9. When he hears, Every good tree bringeth good fruit, but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit: do men gather grapes of thorns? and,

 Chapter 9.—10. Again, when he hears, He that is washed by one dead, his washing profiteth him nought, he will answer, Christ, being raised from the

 Chapter 10.—11. Lastly, if they are willing to give the name of dead neither to the wicked man whose sin is hidden, nor to him whose sin is manifest,

 Chapter 11.—12. Of these I would ask, whether by coming to their sea they were restored to life, or whether they are still dead there? For if still th

 Chapter 12.—13. But our brethren themselves, the sons of the aforesaid churches, were both ignorant at the time, and still are ignorant, of what has b

 Chapter 13.—14. If, in the interests of the unity of the party of Donatus, no one rebaptizes those who were baptized in a wicked schism, and men, who

 Chapter 14.—15. Therefore, brethren, let it suffice us that they should be admonished and corrected on the one point of their conduct in the matter of

 Chapter 15.—16. Look at the states of Musti and Assura:

 Chapter 16.—17. As for the words which follow in his letter, the writer himself could scarcely fail to laugh at them, when, having made an unlearned a

 Chapter 17.—18. Then he further adds: Both are without the life of baptism, both he who never had it at all, and he who had it but has lost it. He t

 Chapter 18.—20. He says: You who are a most abandoned traditor have come out in the character of a persecutor and murderer of us who keep the law. I

 Chapter 19.—21. What, then, does he mean by quoting in his letter the words with which our Lord addressed the Jews: Wherefore, behold, I send unto yo

 Chapter 20.—22. Wherefore all this about the generation of vipers, and the poison of asps under their lips, and all the other things which they have s

 Chapter 21.—23. Lastly, it has been said, as he himself has also quoted, Ye shall know them by their fruits: let us therefore examine into their fru

 Chapter 22.—24. What if the holy and true Church of Christ were to convince and overcome you, even if we held no documents in support of our cause, or

 Chapter 23.—25. In conclusion, the Testament is said to have been given to the flames by certain men in the time of persecution. Now let its lessons b

 Chapter 24.—26. But let us turn to the consideration of your fruits. I pass over the tyrannous exercise of authority in the cities, and especially in

 Chapter 25.—27. I think that I have left unanswered none of the statements in the letter of Donatus, so far at least as relates to what I have been ab

 Chapter 26.—28. But it is possible that you may expect of me that I should go on to refute what he has introduced about Manichæus. Now, in respect of

 Chapter 27.—29. Wherefore, my beloved brethren, though that error is exposed and overcome in many ways, and dare not oppose the truth on any show of r

 Chapter 28.—Finally, they think that the question of baptism is hidden, with which they deceive wretched souls. But whilst they say that none have bap

 Chapter 29.—31. These things, brethren, I would have you retain as the basis of your action and preaching with untiring gentleness: love men, while yo

 In which Augustin replies to all the several statements in the letter of Petilianus, as though disputing with an adversary face to face.

 Chapter 1.—1. That we made a full and sufficient answer to the first part of the letter of Petilianus, which was all that we had been able to find, wi

 Chapter 2.—4. Petilianus said: Those who have polluted their souls with a guilty laver, under the name of baptism, reproach us with baptizing twice,—

 Chapter 3.—6. Petilianus said: For what we look to is the conscience of the giver, to cleanse that of the recipient.

 Chapter 4.—8. Petilianus said: For he who receives faith from the faithless, receives not faith but guilt.

 Chapter 5.—10. Petilianus said: For everything consists of an origin and root and if it have not something for a head, it is nothing: nor does anyth

 Chapter 6.—12. Petilianus said: This being the case, brethren, what perversity must it be, that he who is guilty through his own sins should make ano

 Chapter 7.—14. Petilianus said: And again, ‘He who is baptized by one that is dead, his washing profiteth him nothing.’ He did not mean that the bapt

 Chapter 8.—17. Petilianus said: We must consider, I say, and declare how far the treacherous traditor is to be accounted dead while yet in life. Juda

 Chapter 9.—21. Petilianus said: Hemmed in, therefore, by these offenses, you cannot be a true bishop.

 Chapter 10.—23. Petilianus said: Did the apostle persecute any one? or did Christ betray any one?

 Chapter 11.—25. Petilianus said: Yet some will be found to say, We are not the sons of a traditor . Any one is the son of that man whose deeds he imi

 Chapter 12.—27. Petilianus said: The Lord Jesus said to the Jews concerning Himself, ‘If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.’

 Chapter 13.—29. Petilianus said: Over and over again He reproaches the false speakers and liars in such terms as these: ‘Ye are the children of the de

 Chapter 14.—31. Petilianus said: In the third place, also, He calls the madness of persecutors in like manner by this name, ‘Ye generation of vipers,

 Chapter 15.—34. Petilianus said: David also spoke of you as persecutors in the following terms: ‘Their throat is an open sepulchre with their tongue

 Chapter 16.—36. Petilianus said: The Lord Christ also warns us, saying, ‘Beware of false prophets, which come unto you in sheep’s clothing, but inwar

 Chapter 17.—38. Petilianus said: Thus, thus, thou wicked persecutor, under whatsoever cloak of righteousness thou hast concealed thyself, under whats

 Chapter 18.—40. Petilianus said: Nor is it, after all, so strange that you assume to yourself the name of bishop without authority. This is the true

 Chapter 19.—42. Petilianus said: The Lord Jesus Christ commands us, saying, ‘When they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another and if they

 Chapter 20.—44. Petilianus said: The Lord Christ cries again from heaven to Paul, ‘Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? It is hard for thee to kick a

 Chapter 21.—47. Petilianus said: Accordingly, as we have said, the Lord Christ cried, ‘Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? It is hard for thee to ki

 Chapter 22.—49. Petilianus said: It may be urged that Christ said to His apostles, as you are constantly quoting against us, ‘He that is washed neede

 Chapter 23.—51. Petilianus said: But if you say that we give baptism twice over, truly it is rather you who do this, who slay men who have been bapti

 Chapter 24.—56. Petilianus said: But you will answer that you abide by the same declaration, ‘He that is once washed needeth not save to wash his fee

 Chapter 25.—58. Petilianus said: For when you in your guilt perform what is false, I do not celebrate baptism twice, which you have never celebrated

 Chapter 26.—60. Petilianus said: For if you mix what is false with what is true, falsehood often imitates the truth by treading in its steps. Just in

 Chapter 27.—62. Petilianus said: It will be urged against us, that the Apostle Paul said, ‘One Lord, one faith, one baptism.’ We profess that there i

 Chapter 28.—64. Petilianus said: But yet, if I may be allowed the comparison, it is certain that the sun appears double to the insane, although it on

 Chapter 29.—66. Petilianus said: But to pass rapidly through these minor points: can he be said to lay down the law who is not a magistrate of the co

 Chapter 30.—68. Petilianus said: Or if any one chance to recollect the chants of a priest, is he therefore to be deemed a priest, because with sacril

 Chapter 31.—70. Petilianus said: For there is no power but of God, none in any man of power as the Lord Jesus Christ answered Pontius Pilate, ‘Thou

 Chapter 32.—72. Petilianus said: For although there is only one baptism, yet it is consecrated in three several grades. John gave water without the n

 Chapter 33.—77. Petilianus said: But that I may thoroughly investigate the baptism in the name of the Trinity, the Lord Christ said to His apostles:

 Chapter 34.—79. Petilianus said: For if the apostles were allowed to baptize those whom John had washed with the baptism of repentance, shall it not

 Chapter 35.—81. Petilianus said: Nor indeed will it be possible that the Holy Spirit should be implanted in the heart of any one by the laying on of

 Chapter 36.—83. Petilianus said: Which Holy Spirit certainly cannot come on you, who have not been washed even with the baptism of repentance but th

 Chapter 37.—85. Petilianus said: But that the truth of this may be made manifest from the apostles, we are taught by their actions, as it is written:

 Chapter 38.—90. Petilianus said: If you declare that you hold the Catholic Church, the word ‘catholic’ is merely the Greek equivalent for entire or w

 Chapter 39.—92. Petilianus said: But there is no fellowship of darkness with light, nor any fellowship of bitterness with the sweet of honey there i

 Chapter 40.—95. Petilianus said: Paul the apostle also bids us, ‘Be ye not unequally yoked with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness w

 Chapter 41.—97. Petilianus said: And, again, he taught us that schisms should not arise, in the following terms: ‘Now this I say, that every one of y

 Chapter 42.—99. Petilianus said: If Paul uttered these words to the unlearned and to the righteous, I say this to you who are unrighteous, Is Christ

 Chapter 43.—101. Petilianus said: Can it be that the traitor Judas hung himself for you, or did he imbue you with his character, that, following his

 Chapter 44.—103. Petilianus said: For we, as it is written, when we are baptized, put on Christ who was betrayed you, when you are infected, put on

 Chapter 45.—105. Petilianus said: But if these are the parties, the name of member of a party is no prejudice against us. For there are two ways, the

 Chapter 46.—107. Petilianus said: In the first Psalm David separates the blessed from the impious, not indeed making them into parties, but excluding

 Chapter 47.—109. Petilianus said: But the same Psalmist has sung the praises of our baptism. ‘The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want. He maketh me

 Chapter 48.—111. Petilianus said: Yet that you should not call yourselves holy, in the first place, I declare that no one has holiness who has not le

 Chapter 49.—113. Petilianus said: For, granting that you faithless ones are acquainted with the law, without any prejudice to the law itself, I may s

 Chapter 50.—115. Petilianus said: But that we may destroy your arguments one by one, if you call yourselves by the name of priests, it was said by th

 Chapter 51.—117. Petilianus said: If you wretched men claim for yourselves a seat, as we said before, you assuredly have that one of which the prophe

 Chapter 52.—119. Petilianus said: If you suppose that you can offer sacrifice, God Himself thus speaks of you as most abandoned sinners: ‘The wicked

 Chapter 53.—121. Petilianus said: If you make prayer to God, or utter supplication, it profits you absolutely nothing whatsoever. For your blood-stai

 Chapter 54.—123. Petilianus said: But if it should so happen, though whether it be so I cannot say, that you cast out devils, neither will this in yo

 Chapter 55.—125. Petilianus said: Even though you do very virtuous actions, and perform miraculous works, yet on account of your wickedness the Lord

 Chapter 56.—127. Petilianus said: But even if, as you yourselves suppose, you are following the law of the Lord in purity, let us nevertheless consid

 Chapter 57.—129. Petilianus said: It is written, ‘Thou shalt not commit adultery.’ Each one of you, even though he be chaste in his body, yet in spir

 Chapter 58.—131. Petilianus said: It is written, ‘Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.’ When you falsely declare to the kings of t

 Chapter 59.—133. Petilianus said: It is written, ‘Thou shalt not covet anything that is thy neighbor’s.’ You plunder what is ours, that you may have

 Chapter 60.—135. Petilianus said: Under what law, then, do you make out that you are Christians, seeing that you do what is contrary to the law?

 Chapter 61.—137. Petilianus said: But the Lord Christ says, ‘Whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called the greatest in the kingdom

 Chapter 62.—139. Petilianus said: And again it is written, ‘Every sin which a man shall sin is without the body but he that sinneth in the Holy Spir

 Chapter 63.—141. Petilianus said: But wherein do you fulfill the commandments of God? The Lord Christ said, ‘Blessed are the poor in spirit for thei

 Chapter 64.—143. Petilianus said: ‘Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.’ You therefore, not being meek, have lost both heaven and

 Chapter 65.—145. Petilianus said: ‘Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.’ You, our butchers, are the cause of mourning in others:

 Chapter 66.—147. Petilianus said: ‘Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.’ To you it seems to be

 Chapter 67.—149. Petilianus said: ‘Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.’ But how shall I call you merciful when you inflict punishm

 Chapter 68.—151. Petilianus said: ‘Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.’ When will you see God, who are possessed with blindness in

 Chapter 69.—153. Petilianus said: ‘Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God.’ You make a pretence of peace by your w

 Chapter 70.—155. Petilianus said: Though the Apostle Paul says, ‘I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you, brethren, that ye walk worthy of

 Chapter 71.—157. Petilianus said: To you the prophet says, ‘Peace, peace and where is there peace?’

 Chapter 72.—159. Petilianus said: ‘Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.’ You are not b

 Chapter 73.—161. Petilianus said: Since then you are not blessed by falsifying the commands of God, the Lord Christ condemns you by His divine decree

 Chapter 74.—163. Petilianus said: But these things do not alarm us Christians for of the evil deeds which you are destined to commit we have before

 Chapter 75.—165. Petilianus said: O wretched traditors! Thus indeed it was fitting that Scripture should be fulfilled. But in you I grieve for this,

 Chapter 76.—167. Petilianus said: But to us the Lord Christ, in opposition to your deadly commands, commanded simple patience and harmlessness. For w

 Chapter 77.—169. Petilianus said: Paul also, the apostle, whilst he was suffering fearful persecutions at the hands of all nations, endured even more

 Chapter 78.—171. Petilianus said: For what kind of faith is that which is in you which is devoid of charity? when Paul himself says, ‘Though I speak

 Chapter 79.—173. Petilianus said: And again, ‘Charity suffereth long, and is kind charity envieth not charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up

 Chapter 80.—175. Petilianus said: Lastly, what is the justification of persecution? I ask you, you wretched men, if it so be that you think that your

 Chapter 81.—177. Petilianus said: But I answer you, on the other hand, that Jesus Christ never persecuted any one. And when the apostle found fault w

 Chapter 82.—179. Petilianus said: But the holy apostle said this: ‘In any way, whatsoever it may be,’ he says, ‘let Christ be preached.’

 Chapter 83.—181. Petilianus said: If then there are not some to whom all this power of faith is found to be in opposition, on what principle do you p

 Chapter 84.—183. Petilianus said: But if authority had been given by some law for persons to be compelled to what is good, you yourselves, unhappy me

 Chapter 85.—185. Petilianus said: For the Lord Christ says, ‘No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him.’ But why do we not

 Chapter 86.—188. Petilianus said: Is it then the case that God has ordered the massacre even of schismatics? and if He were to issue such an order at

 Chapter 87.—190. Petilianus said: For neither has the Lord God at any time rejoiced in human blood, seeing that He was even willing that Cain, the mu

 Chapter 88.—192. Petilianus said: We advise you, therefore, if so be that you will hear it willingly, and even though you do not willingly receive it

 Chapter 89.—194. Petilianus said: Here you have the fullest possible proof that a Christian may take no part in the destruction of another. But the f

 Chapter 90.—196. Petilianus said: Therefore I say, He ordained that we should undergo death for the faith, which each man should do for the communion

 Chapter 91.—198. Petilianus said: But you scatter thorns and tares, not seeds of corn so that you ought to be burned together with them at the last j

 Chapter 92.—200. Petilianus said: Where is the saying of the Lord Christ, ‘Whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also’

 Chapter 93.—202. Petilianus said: But what have you to do with the kings of this world, in whom Christianity has never found anything save envy towar

 Chapter 94.—214. Petilianus said: Where is the law of God? where is your Christianity, if you not only commit murders and put men to death, but also

 Chapter 95.—216. Petilianus said: If you wish that we should be your friends, why do you drag us to you against our will? But if you wish that we sho

 Chapter 96.—218. Petilianus said: But what reason is there, or what inconsistency of emptiness, in desiring communion with us so eagerly, when all th

 Chapter 97.—220. Petilianus said: Choose, in short, which of the two alternatives you prefer. If innocence is on your side, why do you persecute us w

 Chapter 98.—223. Petilianus said: Lastly, as we have often said before, how great is your presumption, that you should speak as you presume to do of

 Chapter 99.—225. Petilianus said: On you, yes you, you wretched men, I call, who, being dismayed with the fear of persecution, whilst you seek to sav

 Chapter 100.—227. Petilianus said: But we who are poor in spirit are not apprehensive for our wealth, but rather feel a dread of wealth. We, ‘as havi

 Chapter 101.—229. Petilianus said: Inasmuch as we live in the fear of God, we have no fear of the punishments and executions which you wreak with the

 Chapter 102.—231. Petilianus said: You, therefore, who prefer rather to be washed with the most false of baptisms than to be regenerate, not only do

 Chapter 103.—234. Petilianus said: Imitate indeed the prophets, who feared to have their holy souls deceived with false baptism. For Jeremiah says of

 Chapter 104.—236. Petilianus said: David also said, ‘The oil of the sinner shall not anoint my head.’ Who is it, therefore, that he calls a sinner? I

 Chapter 105.—238. Petilianus said: But he thus praises the ointment of concord among brethren: ‘Behold how good and how pleasant it is for brethren t

 Chapter 106.—240. Petilianus said: Woe unto you, therefore, who, by doing violence to what is holy, cut away the bond of unity whereas the prophet s

 Chapter 107.—242. Petilianus said: And that none who is a layman may claim to be free from sin, they are all bound by this prohibition: ‘Be not parta

 Chapter 108.—244. Petilianus said: By this sentence, again, the apostle places in the same category those who have fellowship in the consciousness of

 Chapter 109.—246. Petilianus said: Come therefore to the Church, all ye people, and flee the company of traditors , if you would not also perish with

 Book III.

 Chapter 1.—1. Being able to read, Petilianus, I have read your letter, in which you have shown with sufficient clearness that, in supporting the party

 Chapter 2.—3. Hear therefore, all ye who have read his revilings, what Petilianus has vented against me with more anger than consideration. To begin w

 Chapter 3.—4. These comparisons of the gospel you doubtless recognize. Nor can we suppose them given for any other purpose, except that no one should

 Chapter 4.—5. Nor would I therefore be understood to urge that ecclesiastical discipline should be set at naught, and that every one should be allowed

 Chapter 5.—6. Do you, therefore, holy scions of our one Catholic mother, beware with all the watchfulness of which you are capable, in due submission

 Chapter 6.—7. Furthermore, whether concerning Christ, or concerning His Church, or any other matter whatsoever which is connected with your faith and

 Chapter 7.—8. Whilst we bear the testimony of God to this and the like effect against the vain speaking of men, we are forced to undergo bitter insult

 Chapter 8.—9. Nor is it only you that are safe, whatever we may be, because you are satisfied with the very truth of Christ which is in us, in so far

 Chapter 9.—10. Therefore, as I have often said before, and am desirous to bring home to you, whatsoever we may be, you are safe, who have God for your

 Chapter 10.—11. Let these things suffice you, my beloved Christian brethren of the Catholic Church, so far as the present business is concerned and i

 Chapter 11.—12. What wonder is it then, if, when I draw in the grain that has been shaken forth from the threshing-floor of the Lord, together with th

 Chapter 12.—13. For I am a man of the threshing-floor of Christ: if a bad man, then part of the chaff if good, then of the grain. The winnowing-fan o

 Chapter 13.—14. If, therefore, I am a servant of the Lord, and a soldier that is not reprobate, with whatever eloquence Petilianus stands forth revili

 Chapter 14.—15. Furthermore, if I have obtained from you, in accordance with my earnest endeavors, that, laying aside from your minds all prejudice of

 Chapter 15.—17. Read now the most profuse revilings which he has poured forth whilst puffed up with indignation against me, and see whether he has giv

 Chapter 16.—19. Let him go now, and with panting lungs and swollen throat find fault with me as a mere dialectician. Nay, let him summon, not me, but

 Chapter 17.—20. Let him further go on, in his discourse of many but manifestly empty words, to matters of which he is wholly ignorant, or in which rat

 Chapter 18.—21. Certainly in all these things, as you can learn or refresh your memory by reading his letter, he has given free scope to the impulse o

 Chapter 19.—22. For perhaps some one of you will say to me, All these things which he said against you he wished to have force for this purpose, that

 Chapter 20.—23. All these statements in my letter Petilianus set before himself for refutation. Let us see, therefore, whether he has refuted them wh

 Chapter 21.—24. But see, when he is reduced to straits in the argument, he again makes an attack on me full of mist and wind, that the calm clearness

 Chapter 22.—26. Lastly, if these two or three words, What if, and Possibly, are so absolutely intolerable, that on their account we should have arouse

 Chapter 23.—27. And, in the first place, with regard to that first expression, Of him who gives in holiness, it does not interfere in the least with

 Chapter 24.—28. Whatever, therefore, he finds in these two words,—whether he brings calumnious accusations about their suppression, or boasts of their

 Chapter 25.—29. And yet Petilianus, to avoid answering what I have said, sets before himself what I have not, and draws men’s attention away from the

 Chapter 26.—31. But why do we make inquiry into these points? Why do we both suffer and cause unnecessary delay? Are we likely to find out by such a c

 Chapter 27.—32. But this is not what we are now inquiring. Let him rather answer (what he wanders off into the most irrelevant matters in order to avo

 Chapter 28.—33. This is what we look upon with horror in your party this is what the sentence of God condemns, crying out with the utmost truth and t

 Chapter 29.—34. I entreat of you, pay attention to this: I ask where the means shall be found for cleansing the conscience of the recipient, when he i

 Chapter 30.—35. Accordingly this precedent is wholly without bearing on the matter in hand. We might rather say that the declaration of the apostle su

 Chapter. 31.—36. And where, he says, is the word that I added, wittingly? so that I did not say, He that has received his faith from one that is fa

 Chapter 32.—37. What shall we say of what he himself advanced in his epistle, that Quodvultdeus, having been convicted of two adulteries, and cast ou

 Chapter 33.—38. See now how Petilianus, to avoid answering this question, or to avoid being proved to be incapable of answering it, wanders off vainly

 Chapter 34.—39. Petilianus quotes also the warning of the Apostle John, that we should not believe every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are

 Chapter 35.—Was the water administered by this man not lying? or is the oil of the fornicator not the oil of the sinner? or must we hold what the Cath

 Chapter 36.—42. But after this, when Petilianus came to that objection of ours, that they allowed the baptism of the followers of Maximianus, whom the

 Chapter 37.—43. Furthermore, according to our tenets, neither he of whom Petilianus said that he was cast forth by us for the sin of the men of Sodom,

 Chapter 38.—44. For, to pass over others dwelling in different quarters of the earth,—for you will scarcely find any place in which this kind of men i

 Chapter 39.—45. But as for you, when the case of the followers of Maximianus is brought up against you, who, after being condemned by the sentence of

 Chapter 40.—46. For if the baptism which Prætextatus and Felicianus administered in the communion of Maximianus was their own, why was it received by

 Chapter 41.—49. Lastly, he has ended his epistle with an exhortation and warning to his own party, that they should not be deceived by us, and with a

 Chapter 42.—51. For what I just now said is put with the greatest clearness in that very epistle of mine, in answering which he has said nothing and

 Chapter 43.—52. These things, I think, I put with clearness and truth in my former epistle, when I made answer to Petilianus. These things I have also

 Chapter 44.—53. Then a little after, as he had said, This being so, brethren, what perversity must that be, that he who is guilty by reason of his ow

 Chapter 45.—54. But that neither he nor any one of you might say that, when any one of concealed bad character is the baptizer, then he whom he baptiz

 Chapter 46.—55. Now, seeing that when Petilianus attributes this to me as though it were my opinion, he makes it an occasion for a serious and vehemen

 Chapter 47.—57. Furthermore, in like manner as those who denied the resurrection of the dead could in no way defend themselves from the evil consequen

 Chapter 48.—58. When we ask, therefore, by what means the man is to be cleansed whom you do not baptize again in your communion, even when it has been

 Chapter 49.—59. Do not therefore any longer say, The conscience of one that gives in holiness is what we look for to cleanse the conscience of the re

 Chapter 50.—60. But if it is clear that Petilianus has made no answer to those first words of my epistle, and that, when he has endeavored to make an

 Chapter 51.—63. Next, listen for a short time to the kind of way in which he has tried to use, in his own behalf, the passages which I had advanced fr

 Chapter 52.—64. But if you wish to see that the object of Petilianus in his writings really was to prove that the origin, and root, and head of him t

 Chapter 53.—65. Then who is there that could fail to perceive from what a vein of conceit it proceeds, that in explaining as it were the declaration o

 Chapter 54.—66. Finally, again, a little afterwards, when he resolved and was firmly purposed, as it were, to reconsider once more the words of the ap

 Chapter 55.—67. A minister, therefore, that is a dispenser of the word and sacrament of the gospel, if he is a good man, becomes a fellow-partner in t

 Chapter 56.—68. And if this is rightly said of the gospel, with how much greater certainty should it be said of baptism, which belongs to the gospel i

 Chapter 57.—69. Furthermore, if, while I have continued without intermission to prove how entirely the passages of Scripture which Petilianus has quot

 Chapter 58.—70. For when he quoted a passage from the gospel as making against us, where our Lord says, They will come to you in sheep’s clothing, bu

 Chapter 59.—But according to all these four hypotheses, the truth is on the side of the communion of the Catholic Church. For if both are true, then y

Chapter 93.—202. Petilianus said: "But what have you to do with the kings of this world, in whom Christianity has never found anything save envy towards her? And to teach you shortly the truth of what I say, A king persecuted the brethren of the Maccabees.303 2 Mac. vii. A king also condemned the three children to the sanctifying flames, being ignorant what he did, seeing that he himself was fighting against God.304 Dan. iii. A king sought the life of the infant Saviour.305 Matt. ii. 16. A king exposed Daniel, as he thought, to be eaten by wild beasts.306 Dan. vi. And the Lord Christ Himself was slain by a king’s most wicked judge.307 Matt. xxvii. 26. Hence it is that the apostle cries out, ‘We speak wisdom among them that are perfect; yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: but we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, which was hidden, which God ordained before the world unto our glory; which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.’308 1 Cor. ii. 6-8. But grant that this was said of the heathen kings of old. Yet you, rulers of this present age, because you desire to be Christians, do not allow men to be Christians, seeing that, when they are believing in all honesty of heart, you draw them by the defilement and mist of your falsehood wholly over to your wickedness, that with their arms, which were provided against the enemies of the state, they should assail the Christians, and should think that, at your instigation, they are doing the work of Christ if they kill us whom you hate, according to the saying of the Lord Christ: ‘The time cometh,’ He says, ‘that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.’309 John xvi. 2. It makes no matter therefore to you, false teachers, whether the kings of this world desire to be heathens, which God forbid, or Christians, so long as you cease not in your efforts to arm them against the family of Christ. But do you not know, or rather, have you not read, that the guilt of one who instigates a murder is greater than the guilt of him who carries it out? Jezebel had excited the king her husband to the murder of a poor and righteous man, yet husband and wife alike perished by an equal punishment.310 1 Kings xxi. Nor indeed is your mode of urging on kings different from that by which the subtle persuasion of women has often urged kings on to guilt. For the wife of Herod earned and obtained the boon by means of her daughter, that the head of John should be brought to table in a charger.311 Matt. xiv. 8, 9. Similarly the Jews forced on Pontius Pilate that he should crucify the Lord Jesus, whose blood Pilate prayed might remain in vengeance upon them and on their children.312 Matt. xxvii. 24-26. So therefore you also overwhelm yourselves with our blood by your sin. For it does not follow that because it is the hand of the judge that strikes the blow, your calumnies therefore are not rather guilty of the deed. For the prophet David says, speaking in the person of Christ, ‘Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against His Anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall He speak unto them in His wrath, and vex them in His sore displeasure. Yet have I set my King upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten Thee. Ask of me, and I shall give Thee the heathen for Thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for Thy possession. Thou shalt rule them with a rod of iron; Thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ And he warned the kings themselves in the following precepts, that they should not, like ignorant men devoid of understanding, seek to persecute the Christians, lest they should themselves be destroyed,—which precepts I would that we could teach them, seeing that they are ignorant of them; or, at least, that you would show them to them, as doubtless you would do if you desired that they should live; or, at any rate, if neither of the other courses be allowed, that your malice would have permitted them to read them for themselves. The first Psalm of David would certainly have persuaded them that they should live and reign as Christians; but meanwhile you deceive them, so long as they entrust themselves to you. For you represent to them things that are evil, and you hide from them what is good. Let them then at length read this, which they should have read already long ago. For what does he say, ‘Be wise now therefore, O ye kings; be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Lay hold of instruction lest the Lord be angry, and ye perish from the right way. Since how quickly has His wrath kindled over you? Blessed are all they that put their trust in Him.’313 Ps. ii., cp. Hieron. You urge on emperors, I say, with your persuasions, even as Pilate, whom, as we showed above, the Jews urged on, though he himself cried aloud, as he washed his hands before them all, ‘I am innocent of the blood of this just person,’314 Matt. xxvii. 24.—as though a person could be clear from the guilt of a sin who had himself committed it. But, to say nothing of ancient examples, observe, from instances taken from your own party, how very many of your emperors and judges have perished in persecuting us. To pass over Nero, who was the first to persecute the Christians, Domitian perished almost in the same way as Nero, as also did Trajan, Geta,315 Some editions have Varius in the place of Geta, referring to Aurelius Antoninus Heliogabalus, of whom Lampridius asserts that he derived the name of Varius from the doubtfulness of his parentage. Aelii Lampridii Antoninus Heliogabalus, in S.S. Historiæ Augustæ. The Mss. agree, however, in the reading "Geta," which was a name of the second son of Severus, the brother of Caracalla. Decius, Valerian, Diocletian; Maximian also perished, at whose command that men should burn incense to their gods, burning the sacred volumes, Marcellinus indeed first, but after him also Mensurius of Carthage, and Cæcilianus, escaped death from the sacrilegious flames, surviving like some ashes or cinders from the burning. For the consciousness of the guilt of burning incense involved you all, as many as agreed with Mensurius. Macarius perished, Ursacius 316 Optatus defends the cause of Macarius at great length in his third book against Parmenianus. Of Ursacius he says in the same place: "You are offended at the times of a certain Leontius, of Ursacius, Macarius and others." And Augustin, in his third book against Cresconius, c. 20, introduces an objection of the Donatists against himself: "But so soon as Silvanus, bishop of Cirta, had refused to communicate with Ursacius and Zenophilus the persecutors, he was driven into exile." Usuardus, deceived by a false story made up by the Donatists, enters in his Martyrology, that a pseudo-martyr Donatus suffered on the 1st of March, under Ursacius and Marcellinus, to this effect: "On the same day of the holy martyr Donatus, who suffered under Ursacius the judge (or dux), and the tribune Marcellinus." perished, and all your counts perished in like manner by the vengeance of God. For Ursacius was slain in a battle with the barbarians, after which birds of prey with their savage talons, and the greedy teeth of dogs with their biting, tore him limb from limb. Was not he too a murderer at your suggestion, who, like king Ahab, whom we showed to have been persuaded by a woman, slew a poor and righteous man?317 1 Kings xxi. So you too do not cease to murder us, who are just and poor (poor, that is, in worldly wealth; for in the grace of God no one of us is poor). For even if you do not murder a man with your hands, you do not cease to do so with your butcherous tongues. For it is written, ‘Death and life are in the power of the tongue.’318 Prov. xviii. 21. All, therefore, who have been murdered, you, the instigator of the deed, have slain. Nor indeed does the hand of the butcher glow save at the instigation of your tongue; and that terrible heat of the breast is inflamed by your words to take the blood of others,—blood that shall take a just vengeance upon him who shed it."

203. Augustin answered: If I were to answer adequately, and as I ought, to this passage, which has been exaggerated and arranged at such length by you, where you speak in invidious terms against us concerning the kings of this world, I am much afraid that you would accuse me too of having wished to excite the anger of kings against you. And yet, whilst you are borne after your own fashion by the violence of this invective against all Catholics, you certainly do not pass me by. I will endeavor, however, to show, if I can, that it is rather you who have been guilty of this offense by speaking as you have done, than myself by answering as I shall do. And first of all, see how you yourself oppose your self; for certainly you prefaced the passage which you quoted with the words, "What have you to do with the kings of this world, in whom Christianity has never found anything save envy towards her?" In these words you certainly cut off from us all access to the kings of this world. And a little later you say, "And he warned the kings themselves in the following precepts, that they should not, like ignorant men devoid of understanding, seek to persecute the Christians, lest they should be themselves destroyed,—which precepts I would that we could teach them, seeing that they are ignorant of them; or, at least, that you would show them to them, as doubtless you would do if you desired that they should live." In what way then do you wish us to be the instructors of kings? And indeed those of our body who have any friendship with Christian kings commit no sin if they make a right use of that friendship; but if any are elated by it, they yet sin far less grievously than you. For what had you, who thus reproach us,—what had you to do with a heathen king, and what is worse, with Julian, the apostate and enemy of the name of Christ, to whom, when you were begging that the basilicas should be restored to you as though they were your own, you ascribed this meed of praise, "that in him justice alone was found to have a place"?—in which words (for I believe that you understand the Latin tongue) both the idolatry and the apostasy of Julian are styled justice. I hold in my hands the petition which your ancestors presented; the memorial319 Constitutio quam impetraverunt. Some editions have "quam dederunt Constantio;" but there is no place for Constantius in this history of the Donatists, nor was any boon either sought or obtained from him in their name. The Louvain editors therefore restored "constitutio," which is the reading of the Gallic Mss. which embodied their request; the chronicles, where they made their representation. Watch and attend. To the enemy of Christ, to the apostate, the antagonist of Christians, the servant of the devil, that friend, that representative, that Pontius of yours, made supplication in such words as these: "Go to then, and say to us, What have you to do with the kings of this world?" that as deaf men you may read to the deaf nations what you as well as they refuse to hear;" Thou beholdest the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye."320 Matt. vii. 3.

204. "What," say you, "have you to do with the kings of this world, in whom Christianity has never found anything save envy towards her?" Having said this, you endeavored to reckon up what kings the righteous had found to be their enemies, and did not consider how many more might be enumerated who have proved their friends. The patriarch Abraham was both most friendly treated, and presented with a token of friendship, by a king who had been warned from heaven not to defile his wife.321 Gen. xx. Isaac his son likewise found a king most friendly to him.322 Gen. xxvi. 11. Jacob, being received with honor by a king in Egypt, went so far as to bless him.323 Gen. xlvii. What shall I say of his son Joseph, who, after the tribulation of a prison, in which his chastity was tried as gold is tried in the fire, being raised by Pharaoh to great honors,324 Gen. xxxix., xli. even swore by the life of Pharaoh,325 Gen. xlii. 15.—not as though puffed up with vain conceit, but being not unmindful of his kindness. The daughter of a king adopted Moses.326 Ex. ii. 10. David took refuge with a king of another race, compelled thereto by the unrighteousness of the king of Israel.327 1 Sam. xxvii. Elijah ran before the chariot of a most wicked king,—not by the king’s command, but from his own loyalty.328 1 Kings xviii. 44-46. Elisha thought it good to offer of his own accord to the woman who had sheltered him anything that she might wish to have obtained from the king through his intercession.329 2 Kings iv. 13. But I will come to the actual times when the people of God were in captivity, in which, to use a mild expression, a strange forgetfulness came over you. For, wishing to prove that Christianity has never found anything in kings saving envy towards her, you made mention of the three children and Daniel, who suffered at the hands of persecuting kings, and you could not derive instruction from circumstances not occurring near, but in the very same passages, viz., from the conduct of the king himself after the miracle of the flames which did no hurt, whether as shown in praising and setting forth the name of God, or in honoring the three children themselves, or from the esteem in which the king held Daniel, and the gifts with which he honored him, nothing loth to receive them, when he, rendering the honor that was due to the king’s power, as sufficiently appears from his own words, did not hesitate to use the gift with which he was endowed by God, in interpreting the king’s dream. And when, in consequence, the king was compelled by the men who envied the holy prophet, and heaped calumnies upon him with sacrilegious madness, most unwillingly to cast him into the den of lions, sadly though he did it, yet he had the conviction that he would be safe through the help and protection of his God. Accordingly, when Daniel, by the miraculous repression of the lions’ rage, had been preserved unhurt, when the friendly voice of the king spoke first to him, in accents of anxiety, he himself replied with benediction from the den, "O king, live for ever!"330 Dan. iii.-vi. How came it that, when your argument was turning on the very same subject, when you were yourself quoting the examples of the servants of God in whose case these things were done, you either failed to see, or were unwilling to see, or seeing and knowing, were silent, in a manner which I know not how you will defend, about those instances of friendship felt by kings for the saints? But if it were not that, as a defender of the basest cause, you are hindered by the desire of building up falsehood, and thereby turned away either as unwilling or as ignorant from the light of truth, there can be no doubt that you could, without any difficulty, recall some good kings as well as some bad ones, and some friendly to the saints as well as some unfriendly. And we cannot but wonder that your Circumcelliones thus throw themselves from precipices. Who was running after you, I pray? What Macarius, what soldier was pursuing you? Certainly none of our party thrust you into this abyss of falsehood. Why then did you thus run headlong with your eyes shut, so that when you said, "What have you to do with the kings of this world?" you did not add, In whom Christianity has often found envy towards herself, instead of boldly venturing to say, "In whom Christianity has never found anything save envy towards her?" Was it really true that you neither thought yourself, nor considered that those who read your writings would think, how many instances of kings there were that went against your views? Does he not know what he says?

205. Or do you think that, because those whom I have mentioned belonged to olden times, therefore they form no argument against you, because you did not say, In whom righteousness has never found anything save envy towards her, but "In whom Christianity has never found anything saving envy towards her,"—meaning, perhaps, that it should be understood that they began to show envy towards the righteous from the time when they began to bear the name of Christians? What then is the meaning of those examples from olden times, by which you even more imprudently wished to prove what you had so imprudently ventured to assert? For was it not before Christ was born in the world that the Maccabees, and the three children, and Daniel, did and suffered what you told of them? And again, why was it, as I asked just now, that you offered a petition to Julian, the undoubted foe of Christianity? Why did you seek to recover the basilicas from him? Why did you declare that only righteousness found a place with him? If it is the foe of Christianity that hears such things as these, what then are they from whom he hears them? But it should be observed that Constantine, who was certainly no foe to the name of Christian, but rather rendered glorious by it, being mindful of the hope which he maintained in Christ, and deciding most justly on behalf of His unity, was not worthy to be acknowledged by you, even when you yourselves appealed to him. Both these were emperors in Christian times, but yet not both of them were Christians. But if both of them were foes of Christianity, why did you thus appeal to one of them? why did you thus present a petition to the other? For on your ancestors making their petition, Constantine had given an episcopal judgment both at Rome and at Arles; and yet the first of them you accused before him, from the other you appealed to him. But if, as is the case, one of them had believed in Christ, the other had apostatized from Christ, why is the Christian despised while furthering the interests of unity, the apostate praised while favoring deceit? Constantine ordered that the basilicas should be taken from you, Julian that they should be restored. Do you wish to know which of these actions is conducive to Christian peace? The one was done by a man who had believed in Christ, the other by one who had abandoned Christ. O how you would wish that you could say, It was indeed ill done that supplication should so be made to Julian, but what has that to do with us? But if you were to say this, the Catholic Church would also conquer in these same words, whose saints dispersed throughout the world are much less concerned with what you say of those towards whom you feel as you may be disposed to feel. But it is beyond your power to say, It was ill done that supplication should so be made to Julian. Your throat is closed; your tongue is checked by an authority close at home. It was Pontius that did it. Pontius presented the petition; Pontius declared that the apostate was most righteous; Pontius set forth that only righteousness found a place with the apostate. That Pontius made a petition to him in these words, we have the express evidence of Julian himself, mentioning him by name, without any disguise. Your representations still exist. It is no uncertain rumor, but public documents that bear witness to the fact. Can it be, that because the apostate made some concession to your prayer, to the detriment of the unity of Christ, you therefore find truth in what was said, that only righteousness found a place with him? but because Christian emperors decide against your wishes, since this appears to them most likely to contribute to the unity of Christ, therefore they are called the foes of Christianity? Such folly may all heretics display; and may they regain wisdom, so that they should be no longer heretics.

206. And when is that fulfilled, you will say, which the Lord declares, "The time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service"?331 John xvi. 2. At any rate neither can this be said of the heathen, who persecuted Christians, not for the sake of God, but for the sake of their idols. You do not see that if this had been said of these emperors who rejoice in the name of Christian, their chief command would certainly have been this, that you should have been put to death; and this command they never gave at all. But the men of your party, by opposing the laws in hostile fashion, bring deserved punishment on themselves; and their own voluntary deaths, so long as they think that they bring odium on us, they consider in no wise ruinous to themselves. But if they think that that saying of Christ refers to kings who honor the name of Christ, let them ask what the Catholic Church suffered in the East, when, Valens the Arian was emperor. There indeed I might find what I should understand to be sufficient fulfillment of the saying of the Lord, "The time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service," that heretics should not claim, as conducing to their especial glory, the injunctions issued against their errors by Catholic emperors. But we remember that that time was fulfilled after the ascension of our Lord, of which holy Scripture is known by all to be a witness. The Jews thought that they were doing a service to God when they put the apostles to death. Among those who thought that they were showing service to God was even our Saul, though not ours as yet; so that among his causes for confidence which were past and to be forgotten, he enumerates the following: "An Hebrew," he says, "of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; concerning zeal, persecuting the Church."332 Phil. iii. 5, 6. Here was one who thought that he did God service when he did what presently he suffered himself. For forty Jews bound themselves by an oath that they would slay him, when he caused that this should be made known to the tribune, so that under the protection of a guard of armed men he escaped their snares.333 Acts xxiii. 12-33. But there was no one yet to say to him, What have you to do (not with kings, but) with tribunes and the arms of kings? There was no one to say to him, Dare you seek protection at the hand of soldiers, when your Lord was dragged by them to undergo His sufferings? There were as yet no instances of madness such as yours; but there were already examples being prepared, which should be sufficient for their refutation.

207. Moreover, with what terrible force did you venture to set forth and utter the following: "But to say nothing of ancient examples, observe, from instances taken from your own party, how very many of your emperors and judges have perished in persecuting us." When I read this in your letter, I waited with the most earnest expectation to see what you were going to say, and whom you were going to enumerate, when, lo and behold! as though passing them over; you began to quote to me Nero, Domitian, Trajan, Geta, Decius, Valerian, Diocletian, Maximian. I acknowledge that there were more; but you have altogether forgotten against whom you are arguing. Were not all of these pagans, persecuting generally the Christian name on behalf of their idols? Be vigilant, then; for the men whom you mention were not of our communion. They were persecuting the whole aggregate of unity itself, from which we as you think, or you, as Christ teaches, have gone forth. But you had proposed to show that our emperors and judges had perished in consequence of persecuting you. Or is it that you yourself do not require that we should reckon these, because, in mentioning them, you passed them over, saying, "To pass over Nero;" and with this reservation did you mean to run through all the rest? What then was the use of their being quoted, if they had nothing to do with the matter? But what has it to do with me? I now join with you in leaving these. Next, let that larger number which you promised to us be produced, unless, indeed, it may be that they cannot be found, inasmuch as you said that they had perished.

208. For now you go on to make mention of the bishops whom you are wont to accuse of having delivered up the sacred books, concerning whom we on our part are wont to answer: Either you fail in your proof, and so it concerns no one at all; or you succeed and then it still has no concern with us. For they have borne their own burden, whether it be good or bad; and we indeed believe that it was good. But of whatever character it was, yet it was their own; just as your bad men have borne their own burden, and neither you theirs nor they yours. But the common and most evil burden of you all is schism. This we have already often said before. Show us, therefore, not the names of bishops, but the names of our emperors and judges, who have perished in persecuting you. For this, is what you had proposed, this is what you had promised, this is what you had caused us most eagerly to expect. "Hear," he says, "Macarius perished, Ursacius perished, and all your counts perished in like manner, by the vengeance of God." You have mentioned only two by name, and neither of them was emperor. Who would be satisfied with this, I ask? Are you not utterly dissatisfied with yourself? You promise that you will mention a vast number of emperors and judges of our party who perished in persecuting you; and then, without a word of emperors, you mention two who were either judges or counts. For as to what you add, "And all your counts perished in like manner by the vengeance of God," it has nothing to do with the matter. For on this principle you might some time ago have closed your argument, without mentioning the name of any one at all. Why then have you not made mention of our emperors, that is to say, of emperors of our communion? Were you afraid that you should be indicted for high treason? Where is the fortitude that marks the Circumcelliones? And further, what do you mean by introducing those whom you mentioned above in such numbers? They might with more right say to you, Why did you seek us out? For they did nothing to assist your cause, and yet you mentioned them by name. What kind of man, then, must you be, who fear to mention those by name, who, as you say, have perished? At any rate, you might mention more of the judges and counts, of whom you seem to feel no fear. But yet you stopped at Macarius and Ursacius. Are these two whom you mention the vast number of whom you spoke? Are you thinking of the lesson which we learned as boys? For if you were to ask of me what number two is, singular or plural, what could I answer, except that it was plural? But even so I am still not without the means of reply. I take away Macarius from your list; for you certainly have not told us how he perished. Or do you maintain that any one who persecutes you, unless he be immortal on the face of this earth, is to be deemed when he dies to have died because of you? What if Constantine had not lived to enjoy so long a reign, and such prolonged prosperity, who was the first to pass many decrees against your errors? And what if Julian, who gave you back the basilicas, had not been so speedily snatched away from life?334 The reign of Constantine lasted about thirty-two years, from 306 to 337 A.D. Julian succeeded Constantius, and reigned one year and seven months, dying at the age of thirty, in a war against the Persians, in 363 A.D. In that case, when would you make an end of talking such nonsense as you do, seeing that even now you are unwilling to hold your tongues? And yet neither do we say that Julian died so soon because he gave back the basilicas to you. For we might be equally prolix with you in this, but we are unwilling to be equally foolish. Well, then, as I had begun to say, from these two we will take away Macarius. For when you had mentioned the names of two, Macarius and Ursacius, you repeated the name of Ursacius with the view of showing us how he deserved his death; and you said, "For Ursacius was slain in a battle with the barbarians, after which birds of prey with their savage talons, and the greedy teeth of dogs with their biting, tore him limb from limb." Whence it is quite clear, since it is your custom to excite greater odium against us on account of Macarius, insomuch that you call us not Ursacians but Macarians, that you would have been sure to say by far the most concerning him, had you been able to say anything of the sort about his death. Of these two, therefore, when you used the plural number, if you take away Macarius, there remains Ursacius alone, a proper name of the singular number. Where is therefore the fulfillment of your threatening and tremendous promise of so many who should support your argument?

209. By this time all men who are in any degree acquainted with the meaning of words must understand, it seems to me, how ridiculous it is that, when you had said, "Macarius perished, Ursacius perished, and all your counts perished in like manner, by the vengeance of God," as though men were calling upon you to prove the fact, whereas, in reality, neither hearer nor reader was calling on you for anything further whatsoever, you immediately strung together a long argument in order to prove that all our counts perished in like manner by the vengeance of God. "For Ursacius," you say, "was slain in a battle with the barbarians, after which birds of prey with their savage talons, and the greedy teeth of dogs with their biting, tore him limb from limb." In the same way, any one else, who was similarly ignorant of the meaning of what he says, might assert that all your bishops perished in prison by the vengeance of God; and when asked how he could prove this fact, he might at once add, For Optatus, having been accused of belonging to the company of Gildo, was put to death in a similar way. Frivolous charges such as these we are compelled to listen to, to consider, to refute; only we are apprehensive for the weak, lest, from the greater slowness of their intellect, they should fall speedily into your toils. But Ursacius, of whom you speak, if it be the case that he lived a good life, and really died as you assert, will receive consolation from the promise of God, who says, "Surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it."335 Gen. ix. 5.

210. But as to the calumnious charges which you bring against us, saying that by us the wrath of the kings of the world is excited against you, so long as we do not teach them the lesson of holy Scripture, but rather suggest our own desire of war, I do not imagine that you are so absolutely deaf to the eloquence of the sacred books themselves as that you should not rather fear that they should be acquainted with it. But whether you so will or no, they gain entrance to the Church; and even if we hold our tongues, they give heed to the readers; and, to say nothing of the rest, they especially listen with the most marked attention to that very psalm which you quoted. For you said that we do not teach them, nor, so far as we can help it, allow them to become acquainted with the words of Scripture: "Be wise now therefore, O ye kings; be instructed ye judges of the earth. Serve the Lord with fear and rejoice with trembling. Take hold of instruction lest the Lord be angry,336 Ps. ii. 10-12. etc. Believe that even this is sung, and that they hear it. But, at any rate, they hear what is written above in the same psalm, which you, unless I am mistaken, were only unwilling to pass over, for fear you should be understood to be afraid. They hear therefore this as well "The Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten Thee. Ask of me, and I shall give Thee the heathen for Thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for Thy possession."337 Ps. ii. 7, 8. On hearing which, they cannot but marvel that some should be found to speak against this inheritance of Christ, endeavoring to reduce it to a little corner of the earth; and in their marvel they perhaps ask, on account of what they hear in what follows, "Serve the Lord with fear," wherein they can serve Him, in so far as they are kings. For all men ought to serve God,—in one sense, in virtue of the condition common to them all, in that they are men; in another sense, in virtue of their several gifts, whereby this man has one function on the earth, and that man has another. For no man, as a private individual, could command that idols should be taken from the earth, which it was so long ago foretold should come to pass.338 Isa. ii. 18; Zech. xiii. 2. Accordingly, when we take into consideration the social condition of the human race, we find that kings, in the very fact that they are kings, have a service which they can render to the Lord in a manner which is impossible for any who have not the power of kings.

211. When, therefore, they think over what you quote, they hear also what you yourself quoted concerning the three children, and hear it with circumstances of marvellous solemnity. For that same Scripture is most of all sung in the Church at a time when the very festal nature of the season excites additional fervor even in those who, during the rest of the year, are more given to be sluggish. What then do you think must be the feelings of Christian emperors, when they hear of the three children being cast into the burning fiery furnace because they were unwilling to consent to the wickedness of worshipping the image of the king,339 Simulacri; and so the Mss. The older editions have "adorandi simulacra;" but the singular is more forcible in its special reference to the image on the plain of Dura. Dan. iii. unless you suppose that they consider that the pious liberty of the saints cannot be overcome either by the power of kings, or by any enormity of punishment, and that they rejoice that they are not of the number of those kings who used to punish men that despised idols as though they were guilty of sacrilege? But, further, when they hear in what follows that the same king, terrified by the marvellous sight of, not only the three children, but the very flames performing service unto God, himself too began to serve God in fear, and to rejoice with reverence, and to lay hold of instruction, do they not understand that the reason that this was recorded, and set forth with such publicity, was that an example might be set both before the servants of God, to prevent them from committing sacrilege in obedience to kings, and before kings themselves, that they should show themselves religious by belief in God? Being willing, therefore, on their part, from the admonition of the very psalm which you yourself inserted in your writings, both to be wise, and to receive instruction, and to serve God with fear and to rejoice unto Him with reverence, and to lay hold of instruction, with what attention do they listen to what that king said afterwards! For he said that he would make a decree for all the people over whom he ruled, that whosoever should speak blasphemy against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego should perish, and their house be utterly destroyed. And if they know that he made this decree that blasphemy should not be uttered against the God who tempered the force of the fire, and liberated the three children, they surely go on to consider what decrees they ought to make in their kingdom, that the same God who has granted remission of sins, and given freedom to the whole earth, should not be treated with scorn among the faithful in their realm.

212. See therefore, when Christian kings make any decree against you in defence of Catholic unity, that it be not the case that with your lips you are accusing them of being unlearned, as it were, in holy Scripture, while in your hearts you are grieving that they are so well acquainted with its teaching. For who could put up with the sacrilegious and hateful fallacy which you advance in the case of one and the same Daniel, to find fault with kings because he was cast into the den of lions, and to refuse praise to kings in that he was raised to exalted honor, seeing that, even when he was cast into the den of lions, the king himself was more inclined to believe that he would be safe than that he would be destroyed, and, in anxiety for him, refused to eat his food? And then do you dare to say to Christians, "What have you to do with the kings of the world?" because Daniel suffered persecution at a king’s hands, and yet not look back upon the same Daniel faithfully interpreting dreams to kings, calling a king lord, receiving gifts and honors from a king? And so again do you dare, in the case of the aforesaid three children, to excite the flames of odium against kings, because, when they refused to worship the statue, they were cast into the flames, while at the same time you hold your tongue, and say nothing about their being thus extolled and honored by the king? Granted that the king was a persecutor when he cast Daniel into the lions’ den; but when, on receiving him safely out again, in his joy and congratulations he cast in his enemies to be torn in pieces and devoured by the same lions, what was he then,—a persecutor, or not?340 Dan. ii.-vi. I call on you to answer me. For if he was, why did not Daniel himself resist him, as he might so easily have done in virtue of his great friendship for him, while yet you bid us restrain kings from persecuting men? But if he was not a persecutor, because he avenged with prompt justice the outrage committed against a holy man, what kind of vengeance, I would ask, must be exacted from kings for indignities offered to the sacraments of Christ, if the limbs of the prophet required such a vengeance because they were exposed to danger? Again, I acknowledge that the king, as indeed is manifest, was a persecutor when he cast the three children into the furnace because they refused to worship his image; but I ask whether he was still a persecutor when he set forth the decree that all who should blaspheme against the one true God should be destroyed, and their whole house laid waste? For if he was a persecutor, why do you answer Amen to the words of a persecutor?341 This is illustrated by the words of Augustin, Epist. 105, ad Donatistas, c. I. 7: "Do ye not know that the words of the king were: ‘I thought it good to show the signs and wonders that the high God hath wrought toward me. How great are His signs! and how mighty are His wonders! His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and His dominion from generation to generation’ (Dan. iv. 2, 3)? Do you not, when you hear this, answer Amen, and by saying this in a loud voice, place your seal on the king’s decree by a holy and solemn act?" In the Gothic liturgy this declaration was made on Easter Eve (when the third chapter of Daniel is still read in the Roman Church), and the people answered "Amen." But if he was not a persecutor, why do you call those persecutors who deter you from the madness of blasphemy? For if they compel you to worship an idol, then they are like the impious king, and you are like the three children; but if they are preventing you from fighting against Christ, it is you who are impious if you attempt to do this. But what they may be if they forbid this with terrible threats, I do not presume to say. Do you find some other name for them, if you will not call them pious emperors.

213. If I had been the person to bring forward these examples of Daniel and the three children, you would perhaps resist, and declare that they ought not to have been brought from those times in illustration of our days; but God be thanked that you yourself brought them forward, to prove the point, it is true, which you desired to establish, but you see that their force was rather in favor of what you least would wish to prove. Perhaps you will say that this proceeds from no deceit of yours, but from the fallibility of human nature. Would that this were true! Amend it, then You will not lose in reputation nay, it marks unquestionably the higher mind to extinguish the fire of animosity by a frank confession, than merely to escape the mist of falsehood by acuteness of the understanding.