Against Heresies: Book I

 Preface.

 Chapter I.—Absurd ideas of the disciples of Valentinus as to the origin, name, order, and conjugal productions of their fancied Æons, with the passage

 Chapter II.—The Propator was known to Monogenes alone. Ambition, disturbance, and danger into which Sophia fell her shapeless offspring: she is resto

 Chapter III.—Texts of Holy Scripture used by these heretics to support their opinions.

 Chapter IV.—Account given by the heretics of the formation of Achamoth origin of the visible world from her disturbances.

 Chapter V.—Formation of the Demiurge description of him. He is the creator of everything outside of the Pleroma.

 Chapter VI.—The threefold kind of man feigned by these heretics: good works needless for them, though necessary to others: their abandoned morals.

 Chapter VII.—The mother Achamoth, when all her seed are perfected, shall pass into the Pleroma, accompanied by those men who are spiritual the Demiur

 Chapter VIII.—How the Valentinians pervert the Scriptures to support their own pious opinions.

 Chapter IX.—Refutation of the impious interpretations of these heretics.

 Chapter X.—Unity of the faith of the Church throughout the whole world.

 Chapter XI.—The opinions of Valentinus, with those of his disciples and others.

 Chapter XII.—The doctrines of the followers of Ptolemy and Colorbasus.

 Chapter XIII.—The deceitful arts and nefarious practices of Marcus.

 Chapter XIV.—The various hypotheses of Marcus and others. Theories respecting letters and syllables.

 Chapter XV.—Sige relates to Marcus the generation of the twenty-four elements and of Jesus. Exposure of these absurdities.

 Chapter XVI.—Absurd interpretations of the Marcosians.

 Chapter XVII.—The theory of the Marcosians, that created things were made after the image of things invisible.

 Chapter XVIII.—Passages from Moses, which the heretics pervert to the support of their hypothesis.

 Chapter XIX.—Passages of Scripture by which they attempt to prove that the Supreme Father was unknown before the coming of Christ.

 Chapter XX.—The apocryphal and spurious Scriptures of the Marcosians, with passages of the Gospels which they pervert.

 Chapter XXI.—The views of redemption entertained by these heretics.

 Chapter XXII.—Deviations of heretics from the truth.

 Chapter XXIII.—Doctrines and practices of Simon Magus and Menander.

 Chapter XXIV.—Doctrines of Saturninus and Basilides.

 Chapter XXV.—Doctrines of Carpocrates.

 Chapter XXVI.—Doctrines of Cerinthus, the Ebionites, and Nicolaitanes.

 Chapter XXVII.—Doctrines of Cerdo and Marcion.

 Chapter XXVIII.—Doctrines of Tatian, the Encratites, and others.

 Chapter XXIX.—Doctrines of various other Gnostic sects, and especially of the Barbeliotes or Borborians.

 Chapter XXX.—Doctrines of the Ophites and Sethians.

 Chapter XXXI.—Doctrines of the Cainites.

 Against Heresies: Book II

 Preface.

 Chapter I.—There is but one God: the impossibility of its being otherwise.

 Chapter II.—The world was not formed by angels, or by any other being, contrary to the will of the most high God, but was made by the Father through t

 Chapter III.—The Bythus and Pleroma of the Valentinians, as well as the God of Marcion, shown to be absurd the world was actually created by the same

 Chapter IV.—The absurdity of the supposed vacuum and defect of the heretics is demonstrated.

 Chapter V.—This world was not formed by any other beings within the territory which is contained by the Father.

 Chapter VI.—The angels and the Creator of the world could not have been ignorant of the Supreme God.

 Chapter VII.—Created things are not the images of those Æons who are within the Pleroma.

 Chapter VIII.—Created things are not a shadow of the Pleroma.

 Chapter IX.—There is but one Creator of the world, God the Father: this the constant belief of the Church.

 Chapter X.—Perverse interpretations of Scripture by the heretics: God created all things out of nothing, and not from pre-existent matter.

 Chapter XI.—The heretics, from their disbelief of the truth, have fallen into an abyss of error: reasons for investigating their systems.

 Chapter XII.—The Triacontad of the heretics errs both by defect and excess: Sophia could never have produced anything apart from her consort Logos an

 Chapter XIII.—The first order of production maintained by the heretics is altogether indefensible.

 Chapter XIV.—Valentinus and his followers derived the principles of their system from the heathen the names only are changed.

 Chapter XV.—No account can be given of these productions.

 Chapter XVI.—The Creator of the world either produced of Himself the images of things to be made, or the Pleroma was formed after the image of some pr

 Chapter XVII.—Inquiry into the production of the Æons: whatever its supposed nature, it is in every respect inconsistent and on the hypothesis of the

 Chapter XVIII.—Sophia was never really in ignorance or passion her Enthymesis could not have been separated from herself, or exhibited special tenden

 Chapter XIX.—Absurdities of the heretics as to their own origin: their opinions respecting the Demiurge shown to be equally untenable and ridiculous.

 Chapter XX.—Futility of the arguments adduced to demonstrate the sufferings of the twelfth Æon, from the parables, the treachery of Judas, and the pas

 Chapter XXI.—The twelve apostles were not a type of the Æons.

 Chapter XXII.—The thirty Æons are not typified by the fact that Christ was baptized in His thirtieth year: He did not suffer in the twelfth month afte

 Chapter XXIII.—The woman who suffered from an issue of blood was no type of the suffering Æon.

 Chapter XXIV.—Folly of the arguments derived by the heretics from numbers, letters, and syllables.

 Chapter XXV.—God is not to be sought after by means of letters, syllables, and numbers necessity of humility in such investigations.

 Chapter XXVI.—“Knowledge puffeth up, but love edifieth.”

 Chapter XXVII.—Proper mode of interpreting parables and obscure passages of Scripture.

 Chapter XXVIII.—Perfect knowledge cannot be attained in the present life: many questions must be submissively left in the hands of God.

 Chapter XXIX.—Refutation of the views of the heretics as to the future destiny of the soul and body.

 Chapter XXX.—Absurdity of their styling themselves spiritual, while the Demiurge is declared to be animal.

 Chapter XXXI.—Recapitulation and application of the foregoing arguments.

 Chapter XXXII.—Further exposure of the wicked and blasphemous doctrines of the heretics.

 Chapter XXXIII.—Absurdity of the doctrine of the transmigration of souls.

 Chapter XXXIV.—Souls can be recognised in the separate state, and are immortal although they once had a beginning.

 Chapter XXXV.—Refutation of Basilides, and of the opinion that the prophets uttered their predictions under the inspiration of different gods.

 Against Heresies: Book III

 Preface.

 Chapter I.—The apostles did not commence to preach the Gospel, or to place anything on record until they were endowed with the gifts and power of the

 Chapter II.—The heretics follow neither Scripture nor tradition.

 Chapter III.—A refutation of the heretics, from the fact that, in the various Churches, a perpetual succession of bishops was kept up.

 Chapter IV.—The truth is to be found nowhere else but in the Catholic Church, the sole depository of apostolical doctrine. Heresies are of recent form

 Chapter V.—Christ and His apostles, without any fraud, deception, or hypocrisy, preached that one God, the Father, was the founder of all things. They

 Chapter VI—The Holy Ghost, throughout the Old Testament Scriptures, made mention of no other God or Lord, save him who is the true God.

 Chapter VII.—Reply to an objection founded on the words of St. Paul (2 Cor. iv. 4). St. Paul occasionally uses words not in their grammatical sequence

 Chapter VIII.—Answer to an objection, arising from the words of Christ (Matt. vi. 24). God alone is to be really called God and Lord, for He is withou

 Chapter IX.—One and the same God, the Creator of heaven and earth, is He whom the prophets foretold, and who was declared by the Gospel. Proof of this

 Chapter X.—Proofs of the foregoing, drawn from the Gospels of Mark and Luke.

 Chapter XI—Proofs in continuation, extracted from St. John’s Gospel. The Gospels are four in number, neither more nor less. Mystic reasons for this.

 Chapter XII.—Doctrine of the rest of the apostles.

 Chapter XIII—Refutation of the opinion, that Paul was the only apostle who had knowledge of the truth.

 Chapter XIV.—If Paul had known any mysteries unrevealed to the other apostles, Luke, his constant companion and fellow-traveller, could not have been

 Chapter XV.—Refutation of the Ebionites, who disparaged the authority of St. Paul, from the writings of St. Luke, which must be received as a whole. E

 Chapter XVI.—Proofs from the apostolic writings, that Jesus Christ was one and the same, the only begotten Son of God, perfect God and perfect man.

 Chapter XVII.—The apostles teach that it was neither Christ nor the Saviour, but the Holy Spirit, who did descend upon Jesus. The reason for this desc

 Chapter XVIII.—Continuation of the foregoing argument. Proofs from the writings of St. Paul, and from the words of Our Lord, that Christ and Jesus can

 Chapter XIX.—Jesus Christ was not a mere man, begotten from Joseph in the ordinary course of nature, but was very God, begotten of the Father most hig

 Chapter XX.—God showed himself, by the fall of man, as patient, benign, merciful, mighty to save. Man is therefore most ungrateful, if, unmindful of h

 Chapter XXI.—A vindication of the prophecy in Isa. vii. 14 against the misinterpretations of Theodotion, Aquila, the Ebionites, and the Jews. Authorit

 Chapter XXII.—Christ assumed actual flesh, conceived and born of the Virgin.

 Chapter XXIII.—Arguments in opposition to Tatian, showing that it was consonant to divine justice and mercy that the first Adam should first partake i

 Chapter XXIV.—Recapitulation of the various arguments adduced against Gnostic impiety under all its aspects. The heretics, tossed about by every blast

 Chapter XXV.—This world is ruled by the providence of one God, who is both endowed with infinite justice to punish the wicked, and with infinite goodn

 Against Heresies: Book IV

 Preface.

 Chapter I.—The Lord acknowledged but one God and Father.

 Chapter II.—Proofs from the plain testimony of Moses, and of the other prophets, whose words are the words of Christ, that there is but one God, the f

 Chapter III.—Answer to the cavils of the Gnostics. We are not to suppose that the true God can be changed, or come to an end because the heavens, whic

 Chapter IV.—Answer to another objection, showing that the destruction of Jerusalem, which was the city of the great King, diminished nothing from the

 Chapter V.—The author returns to his former argument, and shows that there was but one God announced by the law and prophets, whom Christ confesses as

 Chapter VI.—Explanation of the words of Christ, “No man knoweth the Father, but the Son,” etc. which words the heretics misinterpret. Proof that, by

 Chapter VII.—Recapitulation of the foregoing argument, showing that Abraham, through the revelation of the Word, knew the Father, and the coming of th

 Chapter VIII.—Vain attempts of Marcion and his followers, who exclude Abraham from the salvation bestowed by Christ, who liberated not only Abraham, b

 Chapter IX.—There is but one author, and one end to both covenants.

 Chapter X.—The Old Testament Scriptures, and those written by Moses in particular, do everywhere make mention of the Son of God, and foretell His adve

 Chapter XI.—The old prophets and righteous men knew beforehand of the advent of Christ, and earnestly desired to see and hear Him, He revealing himsel

 Chapter XII.—It clearly appears that there was but one author of both the old and the new law, from the fact that Christ condemned traditions and cust

 Chapter XIII.—Christ did not abrogate the natural precepts of the law, but rather fulfilled and extended them. He removed the yoke and bondage of the

 Chapter XIV.—If God demands obedience from man, if He formed man, called him and placed him under laws, it was merely for man’s welfare not that God

 Chapter XV.—At first God deemed it sufficient to inscribe the natural law, or the Decalogue, upon the hearts of men but afterwards He found it necess

 Chapter XVI.—Perfect righteousness was conferred neither by circumcision nor by any other legal ceremonies. The Decalogue, however, was not cancelled

 Chapter XVII.—Proof that God did not appoint the Levitical dispensation for His own sake, or as requiring such service for He does, in fact, need not

 Chapter XVIII.—Concerning sacrifices and oblations, and those who truly offer them.

 Chapter XIX.—Earthly things may be the type of heavenly, but the latter cannot be the types of others still superior and unknown nor can we, without

 Chapter XX.—That one God formed all things in the world, by means of the Word and the Holy Spirit: and that although He is to us in this life invisibl

 Chapter XXI.—Abraham’s faith was identical with ours this faith was prefigured by the words and actions of the old patriarchs.

 Chapter XXII.—Christ did not come for the sake of the men of one age only, but for all who, living righteously and piously, had believed upon Him and

 Chapter XXIII.—The patriarchs and prophets by pointing out the advent of Christ, fortified thereby, as it were, the way of posterity to the faith of C

 Chapter XXIV.—The conversion of the Gentiles was more difficult than that of the Jews the labours of those apostles, therefore who engaged in the for

 Chapter XXV.—Both covenants were prefigured in Abraham, and in the labour of Tamar there was, however, but one and the same God to each covenant.

 Chapter XXVI.—The treasure hid in the Scriptures is Christ the true exposition of the Scriptures is to be found in the Church alone.

 Chapter XXVII—The sins of the men of old time, which incurred the displeasure of God, were, by His providence, committed to writing, that we might der

 Chapter XXVIII.—Those persons prove themselves senseless who exaggerate the mercy of Christ, but are silent as to the judgment, and look only at the m

 Chapter XXIX.—Refutation of the arguments of the Marcionites, who attempted to show that God was the author of sin, because He blinded Pharaoh and his

 Chapter XXX.—Refutation of another argument adduced by the Marcionites, that God directed the Hebrews to spoil the Egyptians.

 Chapter XXXI.—We should not hastily impute as crimes to the men of old time those actions which the Scripture has not condemned, but should rather see

 Chapter XXXII.—That one God was the author of both Testaments, is confirmed by the authority of a presbyter who had been taught by the apostles.

 Chapter XXXIII.—Whosoever confesses that one God is the author of both Testaments, and diligently reads the Scriptures in company with the presbyters

 Chapter XXXIV.—Proof against the Marcionites, that the prophets referred in all their predictions to our Christ.

 Chapter XXXV.—A refutation of those who allege that the prophets uttered some predictions under the inspiration of the highest, others from the Demiur

 Chapter XXXVI.—The prophets were sent from one and the same Father from whom the Son was sent.

 Chapter XXXVII.—Men are possessed of free will, and endowed with the faculty of making a choice. It is not true, therefore, that some are by nature go

 Chapter XXXVIII.—Why man was not made perfect from the beginning.

 Chapter XXXIX.—Man is endowed with the faculty of distinguishing good and evil so that, without compulsion, he has the power, by his own will and cho

 Chapter XL.—One and the same God the Father inflicts punishment on the reprobate, and bestows rewards on the elect.

 Chapter XLI.—Those persons who do not believe in God, but who are disobedient, are angels and sons of the devil, not indeed by nature, but by imitatio

 Against Heresies: Book V

 Preface.

 Chapter I.—Christ alone is able to teach divine things, and to redeem us: He, the same, took flesh of the Virgin Mary, not merely in appearance, but a

 Chapter II.—When Christ visited us in His grace, He did not come to what did not belong to Him: also, by shedding His true blood for us, and exhibitin

 Chapter III.—The power and glory of God shine forth in the weakness of human flesh, as He will render our body a participator of the resurrection and

 Chapter IV.—Those persons are deceived who feign another God the Father besides the Creator of the world for he must have been feeble and useless, or

 Chapter V.—The prolonged life of the ancients, the translation of Elijah and of Enoch in their own bodies, as well as the preservation of Jonah, of Sh

 Chapter VI.—God will bestow salvation upon the whole nature of man, consisting of body and soul in close union, since the Word took it upon Him, and a

 Chapter VII.—Inasmuch as Christ did rise in our flesh, it follows that we shall be also raised in the same since the resurrection promised to us shou

 Chapter VIII.—The gifts of the Holy Spirit which we receive prepare us for incorruption, render us spiritual, and separate us from carnal men. These t

 Chapter IX.—Showing how that passage of the apostle which the heretics pervert, should be understood viz., “Flesh and blood shall not possess the kin

 Chapter X.—By a comparison drawn from the wild olive-tree, whose quality but not whose nature is changed by grafting, he proves more important things

 Chapter XI.—Treats upon the actions of carnal and of spiritual persons also, that the spiritual cleansing is not to be referred to the substance of o

 Chapter XII.—Of the difference between life and death of the breath of life and the vivifying Spirit: also how it is that the substance of flesh revi

 Chapter XIII.—In the dead who were raised by Christ we possess the highest proof of the resurrection and our hearts are shown to be capable of life e

 Chapter XIV.—Unless the flesh were to be saved, the Word would not have taken upon Him flesh of the same substance as ours: from this it would follow

 Chapter XV.—Proofs of the resurrection from Isaiah and Ezekiel the same God who created us will also raise us up.

 Chapter XVI.—Since our bodies return to the earth, it follows that they have their substance from it also, by the advent of the Word, the image of Go

 Chapter XVII.—There is but one Lord and one God, the Father and Creator of all things, who has loved us in Christ, given us commandments, and remitted

 Chapter XVIII.—God the Father and His Word have formed all created things (which They use) by Their own power and wisdom, not out of defect or ignoran

 Chapter XIX.—A comparison is instituted between the disobedient and sinning Eve and the Virgin Mary, her patroness. Various and discordant heresies ar

 Chapter XX.—Those pastors are to be heard to whom the apostles committed the Churches, possessing one and the same doctrine of salvation the heretics

 Chapter XXI.—Christ is the head of all things already mentioned. It was fitting that He should be sent by the Father, the Creator of all things, to as

 Chapter XXII.—The true Lord and the one God is declared by the law, and manifested by Christ His Son in the Gospel whom alone we should adore, and fr

 Chapter XXIII.—The devil is well practised in falsehood, by which Adam having been led astray, sinned on the sixth day of the creation, in which day a

 Chapter XXIV.—Of the constant falsehood of the devil, and of the powers and governments of the world, which we ought to obey, inasmuch as they are app

 Chapter XXV.—The fraud, pride, and tyrannical kingdom of Antichrist, as described by Daniel and Paul.

 Chapter XXVI.—John and Daniel have predicted the dissolution and desolation of the Roman Empire, which shall precede the end of the world and the eter

 Chapter XXVII.—The future judgment by Christ. Communion with and separation from the divine being. The eternal punishment of unbelievers.

 Chapter XXVIII.—The distinction to be made between the righteous and the wicked. The future apostasy in the time of Antichrist, and the end of the wor

 Chapter XXIX.—All things have been created for the service of man. The deceits, wickedness, and apostate power of Antichrist. This was prefigured at t

 Chapter XXX.—Although certain as to the number of the name of Antichrist, yet we should come to no rash conclusions as to the name itself, because thi

 Chapter XXXI.—The preservation of our bodies is confirmed by the resurrection and ascension of Christ: the souls of the saints during the intermediate

 Chapter XXXII.—In that flesh in which the saints have suffered so many afflictions, they shall receive the fruits of their labours especially since a

 Chapter XXXIII.—Further proofs of the same proposition, drawn from the promises made by Christ, when He declared that He would drink of the fruit of t

 Chapter XXXIV.—He fortifies his opinions with regard to the temporal and earthly kingdom of the saints after their resurrection, by the various testim

 Chapter XXXV.—He contends that these testimonies already alleged cannot be understood allegorically of celestial blessings, but that they shall have t

 Chapter XXXVI.—Men shall be actually raised: the world shall not be annihilated but there shall be various mansions for the saints, according to the

Chapter XXI.—The twelve apostles were not a type of the Æons.

1. If, again, they maintain that the twelve apostles were a type only of that group of twelve Æons which Anthropos in conjunction with Ecclesia produced, then let them produce ten other apostles as a type of those ten remaining Æons, who, as they declare, were produced by Logos and Zoe. For it is unreasonable to suppose that the junior, and for that reason inferior Æons, were set forth by the Saviour through the election of the apostles, while their seniors, and on this account their superiors, were not thus foreshown; since the Saviour (if, that is to say, He chose the apostles with this view, that by means of them He might show forth the Æons who are in the Pleroma) might have chosen other ten apostles also, and likewise other eight before these, that thus He might set forth the original and primary Ogdoad. He could not,  124  This passage is hopelessly corrupt. The editors have twisted it in every direction, but with no satisfactory result. Our version is quite as far from being certainly trustworthy as any other that has been proposed, but it seems something like the meaning of the words as they stand. Both the text and punctuation of the Latin are in utter confusion. in regard to the second [Duo] Decad, show forth [any emblem of it] through the number of the apostles being [already] constituted a type. For [He made choice of no such other number of disciples; but] after the twelve apostles, our Lord is found to have sent seventy others before Him.  125  Luke x. 1. Now  seventy cannot possibly be the type either of an Ogdoad, a Decad, or a Triacontad. What is the reason, then, that the inferior Æons are, as I have said, represented by means of the apostles; but the superior, from whom, too, the former derived their being, are not prefigured at all? But if  126  “Si” is wanting in the mss. and early editions, and Harvey pleads for its exclusion, but the sense becomes clearer through inserting it. the twelve apostles were chosen with this object, that the number of the twelve Æons might be indicated by means of them, then the seventy also ought to have been chosen to be the type of seventy Æons; and in that case, they must affirm that the Æons are no longer thirty, but eighty-two in number. For He who made choice of the apostles, that they might be a type of those Æons existing in the Pleroma, would never have constituted them types of some and not of others; but by means of the apostles He would have tried to preserve an image and to exhibit a type of those Æons that exist in the Pleroma.

2. Moreover we must not keep silence respecting Paul, but demand from them after the type of what Æon that apostle has been handed down to us, unless perchance [they affirm that he is a representative] of the Saviour compounded of them [all], who derived his being from the collected gifts of the whole, and whom they term  All Things , as having been formed out of them all. Respecting this being the poet Hesiod has strikingly expressed himself, styling him Pandora —that is, “The gift of all”—for this reason, that the best gift in the possession of all was centred in him. In describing these gifts the following account is given: Hermes (so  127  This clause is, of course, an interpolation by the Latin translator. he is called in the Greek language), Αἱμυλίους  128  The words are loosely quoted memoriter, as is the custom with Irenæus. See Hesiod, Works and Days, i. 77, etc. τε λόγους καὶ ἐπίκλοπον ἦθος αὐτοὺς Κάτθετο (or to express this in the English  129  Latin, of course, in the text. language), “implanted words of fraud and deceit in their minds, and thievish habits,” for the purpose of leading foolish men astray, that such should believe their falsehoods. For their Mother—that is, Leto  130  There is here a play upon the words Λητώ and ληθεῖν, the former being supposed to be derived from the latter, so as to denote secrecy. —secretly stirred them up (whence also she is called Leto,  131  This clause is probably an interpolation by the translator. according to the meaning of the Greek word, because she  secretly stirred up men), without the knowledge of the Demiurge, to give forth profound and unspeakable mysteries to itching ears.  132  2 Tim. iv. 3. And not only did their Mother bring it about that this mystery should be declared by Hesiod; but very skilfully also by means of the lyric poet Pindar, when he describes to the Demiurge  133  “Cœlet Demiurgo,” such is the reading in all the mss. and editions. Harvey, however, proposes to read “celet Demiurgum;” but the change which he suggests, besides being without authority, does not clear away the obscurity which hangs upon the sentence. the case of Pelops, whose flesh was cut in pieces by the Father, and then collected and brought together, and compacted anew by all the gods,  134  Comp. Pindar, Olymp., i. 38, etc. did she in this way indicate Pandora and these men having their consciences seared  135  “Compuncti” supposed to correspond to κεκαυτηριασμένοι: see 1 Tim. iv. 2. The whole passage is difficult and obscure. by her, declaring, as they maintain, the very same things, are [proved] of the same family and spirit as the others.

124 This passage is hopelessly corrupt. The editors have twisted it in every direction, but with no satisfactory result. Our version is quite as far from being certainly trustworthy as any other that has been proposed, but it seems something like the meaning of the words as they stand. Both the text and punctuation of the Latin are in utter confusion.
125 Luke x. 1.
126 “Si” is wanting in the mss. and early editions, and Harvey pleads for its exclusion, but the sense becomes clearer through inserting it.
127 This clause is, of course, an interpolation by the Latin translator.
128 The words are loosely quoted memoriter, as is the custom with Irenæus. See Hesiod, Works and Days, i. 77, etc.
129 Latin, of course, in the text.
130 There is here a play upon the words Λητώ and ληθεῖν, the former being supposed to be derived from the latter, so as to denote secrecy.
131 This clause is probably an interpolation by the translator.
132 2 Tim. iv. 3.
133 “Cœlet Demiurgo,” such is the reading in all the mss. and editions. Harvey, however, proposes to read “celet Demiurgum;” but the change which he suggests, besides being without authority, does not clear away the obscurity which hangs upon the sentence.
134 Comp. Pindar, Olymp., i. 38, etc.
135 “Compuncti” supposed to correspond to κεκαυτηριασμένοι: see 1 Tim. iv. 2. The whole passage is difficult and obscure.