28.—Pelagius’ Reply to the Eighth Item of Accusation.

But to this objection he replied with a watchful caution such as the catholic judges no doubt approved. “It has,” says he, “been asserted by me,—but in such a sense that the Church is by the laver cleansed from every spot and wrinkle, and in this purity the Lord wishes her to continue.” Whereupon the synod said: “Of this also we approve.” And who amongst us denies that in baptism the sins of all men are remitted, and that all believers come up spotless and pure from the laver of regeneration? Or what catholic Christian is there who wishes not, as his Lord also wishes, and as it is meant to be, that the Church should remain always without spot or wrinkle? For in very deed God is now in His mercy and truth bringing it about, that His holy Church should be conducted to that perfect state in which she is to remain without spot or wrinkle for evermore. But between the laver, where all past stains and deformities are removed, and the kingdom, where the Church will remain for ever without any spot or wrinkle, there is this present intermediate time of prayer, during which her cry must of necessity be: “Forgive us our debts.” Hence arose the objection against them for saying that “the Church here on earth is without spot or wrinkle;” from the doubt whether by this opinion they did not boldly prohibit that prayer whereby the Church in her present baptized state entreats day and night for herself the forgiveness of her sins. On the subject of this intervening period between the remission of sins which takes place in baptism, and the perpetuity of sinlessness which is to be in the kingdom of heaven, no proceedings ensued with Pelagius, and no decision was pronounced by the bishops. Only he thought that some brief indication ought to be given that he had not expressed himself in the way which the accusation against him seemed to state. As to his saying, “This has been asserted by me,—but in such a sense,” what else did he mean to convey than the idea that he had not in fact expressed himself in the same manner as he was supposed to have done by his accusers? That, however, which induced the judges to say that they were satisfied with his answer was baptism as the means of being washed from our sins; and the kingdom of heaven, in which the holy Church, which is now in process of cleansing, shall continue in a sinless state for ever: this is clear from the evidence, so far as I can form an opinion.

28. Sed ad hoc objectum vigilanti circumspectione respondit, quam sine dubio catholici judices approbaverunt. «Dictum est,» inquit, «a nobis, sed ita, quoniam lavacro ab omni macula et ruga purgatur Ecclesia, quam velit ita Dominus permanere.» Ad quod Synodus dixit: «Hoc et nobis placet.» Quis enim nostrum negat, omnium in Baptismo peccata dimitti, et omnes fideles sine macula et ruga de lavacro regenerationis ascendere? Aut cui christiano catholico non placet, quod et Domino placet, idque futurum est, ut Ecclesia permaneat sine macula et ruga? Quandoquidem id nunc agitur Dei misericordia et veritate, ut ad illam perfectionem, ubi sine macula et ruga in aeternum mansura est, sancta Ecclesia perducatur. Sed inter lavacrum, ubi omnes praeteritae maculae rugaeque tolluntur, et regnum, ubi sine macula et ruga perpetuo manebit Ecclesia, tempus hoc medium est orationis, ubi necesse est dicat, Dimitte nobis debita nostra. Propter hoc objectum est eos dicere, «hic esse Ecclesiam sine macula et ruga,» utrum per hanc sententiam auderent prohibere orationem, qua diebus et noctibus veniam peccatorum jam baptizata sibi poscit Ecclesia. De quo medio tempore inter remissionem peccatorum quae fit in lavacro, et permansionem sine peccatis quae futura est in regno, cum Pelagio nihil est actum, nihil ab episcopis pronuntiatum: sed tantum hoc quod breviter significandum putavit, non se 0337 ita dixisse, ut videbatur objectum. Cum enim hoc ait, «Dictum est a nobis, sed ita;» quid voluit videri, nisi non ita, quemadmodum dixisse, ab his qui objecerant, credebatur? Quid tamen secuti sint judices, ut dicerent sibi hoc placere, id est, Baptismum quo abluitur a peccatis, et regnum ubi permanebit sine peccatis sancta, quae nunc mundatur, Ecclesia, satis, quantum existimo, apparet.