11. A. Pardon me, however vehemently thou urge and argue, yet I dare not say that I wish so to know God as I know these things. For not only the objects of the knowledge, but the knowledge itself appears to be unlike. First, because the line and the ball are not so unlike, but that one science includes the knowl edge of them both: but no geometrician has ever professed to teach God. Then, if the knowledge of God and of these things were equivalent, I should rejoice as much to know them as I am persuaded that I should rejoice if God were known by me. But now I hold these things in the deepest disdain in comparison with Him, so that sometimes it seems to me that if I understood Him, and that in that manner in which He can be seen, all these things would perish out of my knowledge: since even now by reason of the love of Him they scarce come into my mind. R. Allow that thou wouldst rejoice more and much more in knowing God than in knowing these things, yet not by a different perception of the things; unless we are to say that thou beholdest with a different vision the earth and the serenity of the skies, although the aspect of this latter soothes and delights thee far more than of the former. But unless your eyes are deceived, I believe that, if asked whether you are as well assured that you see earth as heaven, you ought to answer yes, although you are not as much delighted by the earth and her beauty as by the beauty and magnificence of heaven. A. I am moved, I confess, by this similitude, and am brought to allow that by how much earth differs in her kind from heaven, so much do those demonstrations of the sciences, true and certain as they are, differ from the intelligible majesty of God.

CAPUT V. Dissimilium eadem aut par scientia.

11. A. Quaeso te, quamvis vehementer urgeas atque convincas, non audeo tamen dicere ita me velle Deum scire, ut haec scio. Non solum enim res, sed ipsa etiam scientia mihi videtur esse dissimilis. Primo, quia nec linea et pila tantum inter se differunt, ut tamen eorum cognitionem una disciplina non contineat: nullus autem geometres Deum se docere professus est. Deinde, si Dei et istarum rerum scientia par esset, tantum gauderem quod ista novi, quantum me Deo cognito gavisurum esse praesumo. Nunc autem permultum haec in illius comparatione contemno, ut nonnunquam videatur mihi si illum intellexero, et modo illo quo videri potest videro, haec omnia de mea notitia esse peritura: siquidem nunc prae illius amore jam vix mihi veniunt in mentem. R. Esto plus te ac multo plus quam de istis Deo cognito gavisurum, rerum tamen non intellectus dissimilitudine; nisi forte alio visu terram, alio serenum coelum intueris, cum tamen multo plus illius quam hujus aspectus te permulceat. Oculi autem si non falluntur, credo te interrogatum utrum tibi tam certum sit terram te videre quam coelum, tam tibi certum esse respondere debere, quamvis non tam terrae quam coeli pulchritudine atque splendore laeteris. A. Movet me, fateor, haec similitudo, adducorque ut assentiar quantum in suo genere a coelo terram, tantum ab intelligibili Dei majestate spectamina illa disciplinarum vera et certa differre.