8. R. Define therefore the True. A. That is true which is so as it appears to the knower, if he will and can know. R. That therefore will not be true which no one can know? Then, if that is false which seems otherwise than it is; how if to one this stone should seem a stone, to another wood? will the same thing be both false and true? A. That former position disturbs me more, how, if anything cannot be known, it results from that that it is not true. For as to this, that one thing is both true and false, I do not much care. For I see one thing, compared with diverse things, to be both greater and smaller. From which it results, that nothing is more or less of itself. For these are terms of comparison. R. But if you say that nothing is true of itself, do you not fear the inference, that nothing is of itself? For whereby this is wood, thereby is it also true wood. Nor can it be, that of itself, that is, without a knower, it should be wood, and should not be true wood. A. Therefore thus I say and so I define, nor do I fear lest my definition be disapproved on the ground of excessive brevity: for to me that seems to be true which is. R. Nothing then will be false, because whatever is, is true. A. Thou hast driven me into close straits, and I am wholly unprovided of an answer. So it comes to pass that whereas I am unwilling to be taught except by these questionings, I fear now to be questioned.

8. R. Defini ergo verum. A. Verum est quod ita se habet ut cognitori videtur, si velit possitque cognoscere. R. Non erit igitur verum quod nemo potest cognoscere? Deinde, si falsum est quod aliter quam est, videtur; quid, si alteri videatur hic lapis, lapis; alteri lignum? eadem res et falsa et vera erit? A. Illud me magis superius movet, quomodo si quid cognosci non potest, eo fiat ut verum non sit. Nam quod simul una res, et vera et falsa est, non nimis curo. Etenim video unam rem diversis comparatam, simul et majorem et minorem esse. Sed ex eo istud contingit, quod nihil per se majus aut minus est. Comparationis enim 0889 sunt ista nomina. R. At si dicis nihil esse verum per se, non times ne sequatur ut nihil sit per se? Unde enim lignum est hoc, inde etiam verum lignum est. Nec fieri potest ut per seipsum, id est sine cognitore lignum sit, et verum lignum non sit. A. Ergo illud dico et sic definio, nec vereor ne definitio mea ob hoc improbetur, quod nimis brevis est: nam verum mihi videtur esse id quod est. R. Nihil ergo erit falsum, quia quidquid est, verum est. A. In magnas angustias me conjecisti, nec invenio prorsus quid respondeam. Ita fit ut cum aliter doceri nolim quam istis interrogationibus, verear jam tamen interrogari.