De sancta trinitate dialogi OF SAINT CYRIL ARCHBISHOP OF ALEXANDRIA <On the Holy and

 they are poured in herds, and as if entering some oak-wood or thicket of flowering grass, they devise what is profitable but when the gleam of the su

 of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him? For surely, by the divine and intelligible light, things lacki

 with your words, O you come now, come, let us bring forth what was accurately and carefully defined in the holy and all-praised synod, which was gath

 that is, to the confession of faith? {B.} Yes, they say. For we will rightly censure the word homoousios, affirming that it is both a neologism and un

 the Son to the Father, but would rather say that He is of like substance? {A.} They will not speak correctly, my friend, but first they will be caught

 we say that he grants the attainment of such glory not to those who leap from humanity into some other nature, but to those who from a wicked choice a

 truth that which is not as it is named, at least in the divinely inspired Scriptures? Why then do they say that the Son is not of this world at all? {

 and again: For the Word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and

 I thank you. {A.} Therefore, going to the hierophant Moses himself, and striving to set up the most clear power of the things done and said through hi

 us, and let not God speak to us, lest we die, said Israel and this they sought in Horeb on the day of the assembly, when God was in the form of fire

 {B.} You speak well, since indeed the divine Paul also writes: But Christ, having appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, through the g

 of the Father according to his own will, and he became man, preserving in himself the dignity of his own nature completely inviolate and unadulterated

 natural, but rather voluntary the union of the Son to be with the Father and God? For he will differ, I think, in no way, if it is so and is true, fro

 Father and Son, but with each one both being and subsisting, and said to have its own existence, the identity of substance guarantees the union. {B.}

 will be laid down in word, as having been removed from the substance of God the Father. {B.} For they maintain that the Son is otherwise than the Fath

 God in glory and in nature, to whom in every way and in every sense would belong as his own good the unbegotten for this reason, to those subject to

 they deem it right to accept and understand the matter naturally. {A.} Therefore, they persuade both themselves and others to think that the name of s

 superior even to being seen by anyone, the power of the words shows us is it not so? {B.} True. {A.} If, then, anyone should say that the Father and

 what sort of approach should we consider for these things? {Α.} For what else could show us that the word of truth is simple, than that it is free fro

 as poets say, having loosed the cable, and as if setting sail from shore and moorings, let us launch our discourse like a merchant ship onto the open

 by way of being begotten it will be otherwise and would not be understood as the same. For if it is not one and another, but you think it is the same,

 conceived, yet not yet distinctly the person of one specifically. But when saying Father and Son and Holy Spirit, he makes the declaration not from th

 with rejoinders to common notions, with Christ being present and defending us, that we may, as far as possible, lay them waste, singing opportunely th

 We must proceed. {B.} It is not otherwise. {A.} Consider then, or rather let those who ignorantly treat unbegotten as having the force of a definiti

 has occurred. {B.} How do you mean? 428 {A.} For instance, when we want to state what fire or water is, or of what sort each is by nature, concerning

 forgivingly, and if they should choose to move on to other topics, let us proceed to those, so that no account of our arrogance may be furnished to th

 having appeared. And indeed we ourselves have been taught, he says, to name God thus and to say in our prayers: Our Father, who art in heaven. {A.}

 be formed according to that which is unbegotten? {A.} I do not say this, but I thought it necessary to point out the absurdity of the notions arising

 you say he is in identity and consubstantial with God the Father, you will no longer hesitate, in all probability, to think that he also always co-exi

 is not easy, but it is possible nonetheless for those willing to measure. For there is nothing among existing things that can escape the account of it

 the word became steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompense, how shall we escape, if we neglect so great a salvatio

 in a truth of generation that does not introduce to it the necessity of being in every way and altogether adorned in the nature of the one who begot t

 of God's energy, fire, which is caustic, and also water, which knows how to cool, 442 but both are works of one, the simple. And if these are works of

 to leave it as unattainable. For I think that no one at all among those who have soberly considered that it is fitting to concede victory to those who

 of all such things and not without purpose He who relies on falsehoods, this one will shepherd winds, and he himself will chase winged birds. For he

 in a place, somewhere certainly, and in size and quantity. And since it has quantity, let it not escape circumscription. And a swarm of other thoughts

 the generation of an incorporeal nature, why will he not rather charge himself with ignorance? But that which is greater and better than what is accor

 indeed, by courses from the depth to the above and outward, the word fashions for us the generation as in some way substantial. And he seems to be som

 I do not think I can make clear what manner of the divine generation might be conceived by us, but rather this, that if God is Father, He did not find

 I would know. {B.} For, I think, adding that too, they will say, that if indeed the Son is unwanted by the Father, He has begotten not willingly, but

 and he will very well observe the nature of things, and he will consider that of things to be done or not, both will and unwillingness have power, but

 For he is what he is not unwillingly, not submitting to a necessary will in this respect, just as, for example, if he might be conceived as holy and g

 he shapes the forms of bronze figures or, at any rate, works on something else of a similar kind. Does it seem to you, then, that he is moved in an eq

 if from unbegottenness still, that is from potentiality, he should proceed not without time into generation in actuality, even if the interval were th

 {A.} Therefore, what in another way is, I do not understand very well, but perhaps you would state it yourself, if you happen to know it. For it is

 our God, no other shall be reckoned with him. He found all the way of knowledge and gave it to Jacob his servant and to Israel his beloved. And after

 delivered to us from the sacred Scriptures. For the Father, being alone by nature and truly God, would not otherwise accept the Son as being alone God

 less, since the fullness of God the Father would not have been entirely sufficient to save us. But I say that to think and to say these things are bla

 and will the Spirit be ranked with the Son and be inscribed in the one nature of the divinity, or not? {Β.} They say that there is one true God, the F

 having improvised the generation of all other things: Let us make man in our image and likeness. And having thrown in something brief in between: A

 He has created him a new form in the beginning, that is, in likeness to Himself, but rather He would have placed in him another form and appearance, i

 of stupidity and ignorance is the mind, to say or at least ever to suppose that the Son is better than the Father, who has his begetter as a sort of r

 the measure of his own nature. Then how will the divine proclamation to us, I mean the evangelical one, which persuades us that we must assent to the

 and from them did one of the earth-born spring up? Or do you say that that is better and true, that he has been styled a brother and was placed in the

 nature to have been introduced, when it also first entered? {B.} By no means, as is likely for light always was. {A.} Why then indeed do they raise u

 And even if God and the Father were said alone to have immortality, the dignity will be essential in the Son also, and He will in every way be called

 what of this? {A.} Because for one who has a nature of his own devoid of immortality and of life, but gains this thing as adopted from another, I thin

 Further, to try now to conceive the corresponding element, at least according to a probable argument, as the reverse of the mystery of the economy wit

 bestow its own properties upon beings. But to think in this way is frantic but the things of God are worthy of acceptance, and He refers it to the hi

 they arrive at such a measure as to think that the Son must be adoptive and ranked with the others, even if, blushing at their own inventions and as i

 choosing to insist and to think that the one who has begotten 491 dwells in the Son? And besides, I think, it will be necessary to say this too: is it

 His Spirit dwelling in us? And to this I say, if the Spirit of God the Father, in whom He both gives life and sanctifies the nature of those things br

 we have received. Would a good gift and a perfect gift be anything else, according to what you yourself think, except to partake of the Holy Spirit?

 those who have believed? For My sheep, He says, hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me and I give them eternal life, and they shall ne

 calling? For in everything, he said, commending ourselves as ministers of God. And elsewhere somewhere concerning certain ones: Are they minister

 of substance and that the Son has been truly revealed from her, signifying this through this. {B.} How do you say? {A.} For do you think this argument

 a good tree and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad. {B.} You have spoken excellently. {A.} For it is a clear proof of truly the u

 would be at a disadvantage in glory, and would He not rather be in an equal and similar state in every single respect with the one who has begotten? {

 for in him we both move and have our being, as a wise word has somewhere said. {B.} True. {A.} Let the word of blasphemy, then, go simply against him

 John will by no means be convicted of speaking falsely, saying openly that: Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples which a

 Not at all. {A.} And very eagerly for there is no difficulty. Has He given His own Son for the life of the world? {B.} Absolutely. {A.} And surely th

 Therefore, it is true that each subsists together and is done away with together through both, and with one subsisting, that for which it is said and

 he is under guardians and managers until the date set by the father so we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elements of the world bu

 more absurdly, for those who have not yet been enriched with the light of truth have come to know the true and by nature God but we, the chosen ones,

 whether Christ himself would also be ranked with those who pay tribute and be taxed, or whether he refuses the payment-, the divine disciple immediate

 to say that the divine and ineffable nature has been forced, or rather, has been overcome by creation, how is this not utterly senseless? Therefore, h

 meaning, firstborn and only-begotten. For how could each be applied to one and the same, and be understood as true? {B.} It could not be otherwise, as

 he raised up to what is above nature, to be called gods, so, I think, he would in no way bring him down to what is contrary to nature, to be ranked wi

 and of the Father. {B.} But if they too should choose to think it necessary to call him only-begotten because he alone has come from the Father alone,

 with the Son revealing the Father dare to say that he is still inactive concerning creation? {Β.} Most perilous. {Α.} And that other point is also sen

 what has been written. {A.} And how would it not be a small and mean thing for the nature of the Son to have fashioned a sparrow? And for what reason,

 believing the Only-Begotten to have been revealed as God. For in this way, having disproved the charge of seeming to have been deceived, we might thru

 was formed for it was without God in the world but since it has known the Son through faith, it has appeared within a good hope, and has escaped and

 {B.} You speak well. {A.} If then, having abandoned the notion that they must beguile us with fine words, they cast out the Son as far as possible fro

 For like is always dear to like, and what is created would not be separated from what is created, at least in respect to being created things. For wha

 we will either abolish [the term] begetting because of their saying he was created, or abandoning [the term] created, we will grant that he was begott

 to possess the creative power, but at the same time to miss what is fitting, and so to be deprived of the highest strength? {B.} How? {A.} Do you not

 A most beautiful and excellent lot for God is to be able to create, since through this He is known by us, who and how great He is. For from the great

 My good man. But which way should we believe He ought to create, distributing to created things the starting point for existence, the will for them to

 what would our opponents [say] to us? For they will by no means cease misrepresenting the truth and those things which would follow to be wisely under

 will ever be inactive, if the Father wished to take away what was given and to ward off the energy of the Son's nature, by which, as they say, being m

 FIFTH DISCOURSE That the properties of the Godhead and the glory are naturally in

 name, that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Chris

 Paul for instance [states] the cause of the incarnation, saying that the Word of God took not on him the nature of angels, but of the seed of Abraham,

 would you senselessly mutilate the sound and pious account of him? {B.} We are in danger. {A.} Let us then put away the charge of impiety and the accu

 Without effort, O good sir for the matter is hard to go through, except that from necessary reasonings, it will be very possible to hunt down the tru

 the same in form, he made clear, saying 554 He who sees me sees the one who sent me. And since the Father is seen and known in the Son brilliantly

 a right-minded person would not think it the nature of God therefore the Father is not will, but being conceived in His own existence, He has His own

 Show us the Father, and he did not say the will of the Father. But the Son, presenting Himself as an image of the Father, says, He who has seen me,

 to have in himself. And indeed also elsewhere, having been a burden to no one: As the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so he

 but would rather have its being through all, having existence without beginning and without end. But if they think 561 their argument is wise and care

 in himself, so also he has given to the Son to have life in himself. {Α.} Add what is missing, or know that you wrong the truth. {Β.} And what is tha

 that But if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mort

 water for my head and a fountain of tears for my eyes, and I shall weep for this people day and night? Let every lover of God and pious person cry ou

 for our slips and sins, let the Only-Begotten have the greatest possible grace. But let him know that the occasion for his deifying glory was humanity

 to distribute to each the rewards for what they have done and to justify whomsoever He would choose (for it is God who justifies, who is he that cond

 attributing the pettiness of humanity to the nature that is above all, as if it were properly attached to it, but having decided to make a very clear

 Therefore, there are very many sons by nature, or rather, more than can be numbered and let the breadth of this blasphemy be set aside, if all are so

 painting a shadow and believing that he is honored with mere names but they will openly reject his being God by nature and in truth. Then who is so d

 slander? For let it be granted that even that which is excessively superior sometimes willingly lowers its own glory to the littleness of those placed

 to understand. {A.} What then does the hand of the Father signify to us? Whether the all-creative energy, that is, the power? For in some way the word

 being hard and difficult to lead, 580 Israel. For it is written thus: As an eagle would shelter his nest, spreading his wings, he received them and t

 they drown herds together. Tell me, then, did Christ grant the honor to such loathsome and unclean spirits, and did he allow what seemed good to them

 the saying, and not at all on its own account (for it is written correctly), but by the perversions of those on the opposite side being pushed into se

 having taken. Do I not seem to you to say these things most excellently? {B.} Most elegantly, indeed. {A.} Since, then, the graceless and uncomely as

 587 {A.} Concerning equality, then, I think, and indeed that of God the Father

 In addition to these things, the Son himself also said, speaking to the Jews: Is it not written in your law, 'I said, you are gods'? If he called the

 {B.} John the Baptist has testified, saying that I have seen the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it remained on him. {A.} Therefore,

 the principle of difference, placing each one in every way without parts for otherwise there would be two gods but since the Godhead is and is conce

 they will again condemn his participation and say that the sanctification from God the Father through the Spirit has been introduced and given to him

 of God and the Father? And how also is He the effulgence and stamp of His substance? For He did not become the stamp in time, but this He was by natur

 when unholy audacity is assailed, I would in no way hesitate to say even something that leads to absurdity For would not the ability to sanctify befi

 they have kept your word. Now they have known that all things that you have given me are from you, for the words which you gave me I have given them,

 a man, who not having as the fruit of his own nature the ability to perform things befitting God, receives it somehow by union and the ineffable concu

 to raise their 603 voices at the appropriate times, have decided to throw everything into confusion up and down and to mix it all up. And yet how is i

 and God, as from the person of those justified by faith: But I in righteousness shall appear before your face I shall be satisfied when your glory a

 indeed living, having economically granted to death the appearance of victory, will clearly be opened also to the other, that is, what is manifest in

 But if it seems so to anyone else, that to the one who is truly God by nature belongs the power over all that has come into being, and all things are

 for you have found favor with God, and behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a Son, and you will call his name Jesus for he will save his p

 {B.} It will be consistent then for the argument is clear and true. {A.} And what, indeed, did the minister of our divine mysteries learn that he cal

 from me, and I will give you the nations for your inheritance, and the ends of the earth for your possession. For where would the Son’s inheritance b

 they will serve. His authority, an eternal authority, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom shall not be destroyed. {B.} Clear and incontroverti

 will be captured by powers. Would not this, then, be loud laughter, or rather, madness? {B.} Very much so. {A.} Following, therefore, the faith of the

 of them. Or would not the Word who is from Him and in Him be conceived, tell me, as other than the Father and God, at least in being, I mean, accordi

 for the apostles to choose to think on Christ is a great thing, and they are accustomed to make him their boast for the working through them? {B.} Ver

 by the things done by both Him and the Father, He gave full assurance, adding: Amen, amen, I say to you, 622 the Son can do nothing of Himself, unles

 Worship belongs to the humanity yoked to God and bound tight by the yoke of slavery with obedience, and indeed also not knowing what is the counsel an

 that to me every knee shall bow and every tongue confess. The divine Paul, very rightly positing the Son as consubstantial with the Father, and knowi

 that it is necessary for God to be worshipped in order and with measure? {B.} Not in the least. {A.} Correctly, friend. For it would be fitting only f

 For how could it not be so? {Α.} If, then, the Spirit of the Father is the Son's own, how will he be ignorant of any of the things hidden in God, sinc

 Do you hear how, having refuted the opinion as unseemly and more fitting for the ignorance of the Jews, he commands that one should rather choose to d

 for him to seem so on this point, how is it not utterly stale, although very many things for us, even if they exist among created things, have a singu

 Son. It is impious and utterly shocking to mutilate it into a dyad, and, as it were, to dare to contract the nature of the Godhead, although indeed th

 Spirit to do this. {A.} In what way then, my friend, if the Spirit is not God? {B.} Because even if one should choose, he says, to be reverent towards

 he is convicted by all, he is judged by all, the secrets of his heart are made manifest and so 638 falling on his face he will worship God, declaring

 conformed to the image of His Son, these He also called. For we are remolded into an image of the Holy Spirit, that is, of God, through faith and san

 clearly and accurately uniting His Spirit to God, and openly teaching that our participation in God could not happen in any other way except through t

 glory of condemnation, will not the ministry of righteousness much more abound in glory? And concerning himself and the other apostles. Who has made

 This condition would follow, O Hermias, and very reasonably, for a created and made nature, but it would stand very far apart from God. {B.} Certainly

 the holy one, but rather serves ministerially the grace from another, how has Christ been anointed as king, having received the Spirit as an anointing

 not a messenger nor an angel, but the Lord himself saved them, because he loved them and spared them. He himself redeemed them, and took them up, and

 of a vote, to be able to achieve for themselves and for others the reaching of royal thrones, and to begin to hold illustrious rule and sceptres, God

 as from a spring of God, at least in my opinion, power is upon each of those who are empowered, just as, indeed, wisdom also, and the things of which

 of God, shall we be disposed to follow after the Creator, and through a division into a degenerate otherness, do we manage His pre-eminence in the mos

 having accepted the glory, we will walk the straight path, freeing the mind from nods, as it were, and from an inclination toward anything whatever th

 he adduces, saying: But this he spoke concerning 657 the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were about to receive. Behold, again, clearly and pl

 a mode of otherness, I mean, of that which is according to substance? Or how would those not be found unsound and foolish who number with creation tha

painting a shadow and believing that he is honored with mere names; but they will openly reject his being God by nature and in truth. Then who is so dull and listless, at least among those who wish to think correctly, who would not raise the greatest possible outcry against those who have decided thus, and, smiling at their boundless sophistry, say: If the Son is not God by nature, but the name is adopted for him according to you, what have you learned that you compare him to God the Father and examine the lesser or the superior 575 in both, although every wise and necessary argument, I think, assigns comparisons to be made more fittingly between things of the same nature with things of the same nature, and whatever things may appear the same in substance, that is, in no way driven out to be otherwise? For both an angel and a man are rational beings; yet there is a certain difference in both and they do not have a complete concurrence with one another. Therefore, when the account of the glory and pre-eminence of angels is examined, an angel must be compared with an angel. And if someone were to do this in our case as well, it would be right that Paul, perhaps, will differ from a certain man, and Peter, in turn, from some other of his own kind. But God, who is of all and over all, is something incomparable and incomparably superior, and since He is indeed above all and ascends to the highest limit, untrodden and inaccessible to created things, what could he have that follows Him and is near and for a short while, and has somehow come to this point as to dare to contend and that it is henceforth disputed that he is not less? Does it not seem to you that one would incur ridicule and slip from a good mind and indeed be driven out from right reason, if any of those things numbered among created things should dare to say: ‘The God and Father of all is greater than I’? To which of the beings, tell me, would you yourself apply so rash and perilous a saying? To Angels then and Archangels, or Powers, Thrones and Dominions? For how or from whence will that which was made contend with its own creator? Most ignorantly, therefore, do they set that which is in every way and completely distinct by nature—if indeed they think the Son is not truly God, but rather was brought into existence as a created being—alongside the Father and examine the equal or the lesser in both. {B.} It seems so. Yet they say, however, that the Son is God, but the Father is greater. {A.} Then where should we discern the greater in the Father and indeed the lesser in the Son, if we were to contemplate the nature of God, whatever it may be, as in a mirror? Will they not say that the Divine is something incorporeal and intangible, without quantity and without growth, and older than all time, always being and existing in the same way, and in itself and from itself all-perfect? {B.} I think so. {A.} In what way, then, would God stand above and be superior to God? Is it not necessary for that which is in any way at all inferior to slip from the definition of divinity, if it neither reaches the summit of the goods of divinity, and is detected as having fallen into a deficiency 576 of that which is perfect? {B.} It is necessary. {A.} For they would not say, I think, that the greater in the Father is by a measurable quantity; for the incorporeal is beyond quantity; nor again that the Son is of a later birth than the Begetter. For since the Father is always Father and there is no alteration or change calling God, who is always and in the same way, to something other than this, there was surely in every way that which is from Him, co-unoriginate and co-eternal, and accompanying the existence of the one who begot. {B.} The Son, he says, is lesser, not in quantity according to the body—for how could he be?—but because he is not in those things in which the Father is. {A.} Come now, therefore, let us, by carefully judging the attributes of divinity, be zealous to see if these things belong to the Father alone, and least of all to the Son in the same way or just as, of course, they also belong to the Father himself. But tell me this, as I ask before all else. For if the Father excels and surpasses the Son, will it not necessarily follow for the one who is thus superior that he must be pre-eminent not in one way, but in every single thing that is proper to divinity? {B.} Absolutely. {A.} But if the Son's equal standing in all things were to appear on an equal footing, would he not very well refute the notion that he must be at a disadvantage

σκιὰν ἐπαλείφοντες καὶ ψιλοῖς ὀνόμασιν ἐκτετιμῆσθαι πιστεύοντες· τοῦ γε μὴν εἶναι φύσει τε καὶ ἀληθῶς Θεὸν ἀνέδην ἐκπέμψουσιν. Εἶτα τίς οὕτω νωθής τε καὶ παρειμένος, ἔν γε τοῖς ἐθέλουσι φρονεῖν ὀρθῶς, ὃς οὐχὶ τῶν οὕτω διεγνωκότων πλείστην ἂν ὅσην ποιήσαιτο τὴν καταβοὴν καὶ τῆς ἀμέτρου τερθρείας καταμειδιάσας ἐρεῖ· εἰ μὴ Θεὸς κατὰ φύσιν ἐστὶν ὁ Υἱός, εἰσποίητον δὲ αὐτῷ τοὔνομα καθ' ὑμᾶς, τί μαθόντες αὐτὸν τῷ Θεῷ καὶ Πατρὶ συγκρίνετε καὶ τὸ μεῖον ἢ ὑπερτεροῦν 575 ἐπ' ἀμφοῖν δοκιμάζετε, καίτοι παντός, οἶμαι, λόγου σοφοῦ τε καὶ ἀναγκαίου τὰς πρὸς ἄλληλα συγκρίσεις ἀπονέ μοντος πράττεσθαί τε πρεπωδέστερον ἀναπείθοντος τοῖς ὁμοφυέσι πρὸς τὰ ὁμοφυῆ, καὶ ὅσαπερ ἂν φαίνοιτο ταὐτὰ κατ' οὐσίαν, ἤγουν κατ' οὐδένα τρόπον ἐκσεσοβημένα πρὸς τὸ ἑτέρως ἔχειν; Χρῆμα μὲν γὰρ λογικὸν ἄγγελός τε καὶ ἄνθρωπος· πλὴν ἔστι τις ἐν ἀμφοῖν ἡ διαφορὰ καὶ τὴν εἰσάπαν οὐκ ἔχει πρὸς ἄλληλα συνδρομήν. Ὅταν τοίνυν ὁ τῆς τῶν ἀγγέλων εὐκλείας καὶ ὑπεροχῆς βασανίζηται λόγος, ἄγγελον ἀγγέλῳ παραβλητέον. Εἰ δὲ δή τις καὶ ἐφ' ἡμῶν τοῦτο δρῴη, καλῶς Παῦλος μὲν τοῦ δεῖνος διοίσει τυχόν, Πέτρος δὲ αὖ ἑτέρου του τῶν καθ' ἑαυτόν. Θεὸς δὲ ὁ πάντων καὶ ἐπὶ πάντας ἀπαράβλητόν τι χρῆμα καὶ ἀσυγκρίτως ὑπερτεροῦν καὶ ἐπεί τοι πάντων ἐστὶν ἀνωτάτω καὶ εἰς λῆξιν ἀναφοιτᾷ, τοῖς πεποιημένοις ἀστιβῆ καὶ ἀνέμβατον, ποῖον ἂν ἔχοι τὸ παρεπόμενον καὶ ἀγχοῦ καὶ παραβραχὺ καὶ εἰς τοῦτο ἧκον ἤδη πως ὡς ἁμιλλᾶσθαι κατατολμᾶν καὶ ὅτι μὴ μεῖον ἀμφιγνοεῖσθαι λοιπόν; Ἦ οὐ δοκεῖ σοι γέλωτά τε ὄφλειν καὶ νοῦ παρολισθεῖν ἀγαθοῦ καὶ μὴν καὶ ὀρθῆς ἐκσεσοβῆσθαι φρενός, εἴ τι τῶν ἐν κτίσμασι κατηριθμημένων κατατολμῴη λέγειν· Ὁ πάν των Θεὸς καὶ Πατὴρ μείζων μού ἐστι; Τίσιν ἄν, εἰπέ μοι, τῶν ὄντων αὐτὸς τὴν οὕτω θρασεῖαν καὶ σφαλερωτάτην ἐφαρμόσαις φωνήν; Ἀγγέλοις ἄρα καὶ Ἀρχαγγέλοις, ἤγουν Ἐξουσίαις, Θρόνοις τε καὶ Κυριότησι; Πῶς γὰρ ἢ πόθεν τῷ οἰκείῳ δημιουργῷ φιλονεικήσει τὸ ποιηθέν; Ἀμαθέστατα τοιγαροῦν τὸ πάντη τε καὶ ὁλοτρόπως διεστηκὸς κατὰ φύσιν, εἴπερ οἴονται Θεὸν μὲν οὐκ εἶναι κατ' ἀλήθειαν τὸν Υἱόν, παρῆχθαι δὲ μᾶλλον γενητῶς εἰς ὕπαρξιν, ἀντιπαρεξάγουσι τῷ Πατρὶ καὶ τὸ ἴσον ἢ μεῖον ἐπ' ἀμφοῖν βασανίζουσιν. {Β.} Ἔοικε. Φασὶ δ' οὖν ὅμως ὅτι Θεὸς μέν ἐστιν ὁ Υἱός, μείζων δὲ ὁ Πατήρ. {Α.} Εἶτα ποῦ τὸ μεῖζον ἐν τῷ Πατρὶ καὶ μέντοι τὸ μεῖον ἐν τῷ Υἱῷ καταθρήσαιμεν ἄν, εἰ τὴν τοῦ Θεοῦ φύσιν, ἥτις ποτέ ἐστιν, ὡς ἔνι κατοπτριζοίμεθα; Ἦ οὐχὶ τὸ Θεῖον ἐροῦσιν ἀσώματόν τι καὶ ἀναφές, ἄποσόν τε καὶ ἀναυξές, καὶ χρόνου παντὸς πρεσβύτερον, ἀεὶ ὂν καὶ ὡσαύτως ἔχον, αὐτό τε ἐν ἑαυτῷ καὶ ἐξ ἑαυτοῦ παντέλειον; {Β.} Οἶμαί γε. {Α.} Τίνα δὴ οὖν τρόπον ὑπερανεστήξοι τε καὶ ὑπερφέροιτο ἂν Θεὸς Θεοῦ; Ἦ οὐκ ἀνάγκη τὸ κατά τι γοῦν ὅλως μειονεκτούμενον τοῦ τῆς θεότητος ὅρου παρολισθεῖν, εἰ μήτε εἰς ἄκρον ἥκει τῶν τῆς θεότητος ἀγαθῶν, ἐν ἐνδείᾳ 576 τε τοῦ τελείως ἔχοντος καταφωρᾶται πεσόν; {Β.} Ἀνάγκη. {Α.} Οὐ γάρ, οἶμαι, φαῖεν ἂν ὡς ποσότητι μετρητῇ τὸ μεῖζον ἐν τῷ Πατρί· πέρα γὰρ ποσότητος τὸ ἀσώματον· οὐδ' αὖ ὅτι τοῦ Γεγεννηκότος ὑστερογενὴς ὁ Υἱός. Ἀεὶ γὰρ ὄντος Πατρὸς τοῦ Πατρὸς καὶ ἀλλοιώσεως καὶ μετα βολῆς οὐκ εἰς ἕτερόν τι παρὰ τοῦτο καλούσης τὸν ἀεί τε καὶ ὡσαύτως ἔχοντα Θεόν, ἦν δήπου πάντως τὸ ἐξ αὐτοῦ συνάναρχόν τε καὶ συναΐδιον καὶ τῇ τοῦ τεκόντος ὑπάρξει συμπαρομαρτοῦν. {Β.} Μείων, φησίν, ὁ Υἱός, οὐ ποσότητι τῇ κατὰ σῶμα· πῶς γάρ; Ἀλλ' ὅτι μὴ ἐν οἷς ὁ Πατήρ. {Α.} Φέρε δὴ οὖν τὰ τῆς θεότητος ἀξιώματα φιλοκρι νοῦντες εὖ μάλα, κατιδεῖν σπουδάζωμεν εἰ ἐμπρέποι μὲν μόνῳ ταυτὶ τῷ Πατρί, ἥκιστά γε μὴν τῷ Υἱῷ κατὰ τὸν ἴσον τρόπον ἢ ὥσπερ ἀμέλει καὶ αὐτῷ τῷ Πατρί. Ἀλλά μοι τουτὶ καὶ πρό γε τῶν ἄλλων ἐρομένῳ φράσον. Ἆρα γὰρ εἰ προὔχει τε καὶ ὑπερέφυ τὸν Υἱὸν ὁ Πατήρ, οὐχ ἕψεται πάντως τῷ τοιῶσδε κρείττονι τὸ χρῆναι πλεονεκτεῖν οὐ καθ' ἕνα τρόπον, ἀλλὰ κατὰ πᾶν ὁτιοῦν τῶν ὅσα ἐστὶ θεότητος ἴδια; {Β.} Καὶ πάνυ. {Α.} Εἰ δὲ ἐν ἴσῳ φαίνοιτο τοῦ Υἱοῦ τὸ ἐφ' ἅπασιν ἰσοστα τοῦν, οὐκ ἂν εὖ μάλα διακρούσαιτο τὴν ἔν γε τῷ δεῖν μειονεκτεῖσθαι